Home Menu

Site Navigation


Notices

Serious Debates & News Debate and discussion about political, moral, philosophical, celebrity and news topics.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 22-06-2018, 08:57 AM #1
bitontheslide's Avatar
bitontheslide bitontheslide is offline
self-oscillating
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 45,729

Favourites:
BB2023: Noky
BB19: Sian


bitontheslide bitontheslide is offline
self-oscillating
bitontheslide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 45,729

Favourites:
BB2023: Noky
BB19: Sian


Default Church of England makes last-minute approach to abuse survivors

don't blame me for the headline, that's straight from the BBC

------

The Church of England has made last-ditch efforts to engage with sexual abuse survivors before a report of how it recorded cases of abuse is published next month.

The report is expected to be highly critical of the Church.

Abuse allegations involving dead and retired clergy were left out of a 2010 CofE review, the BBC has learned.

A spokesperson for the Anglican Church said recent criticisms "have been taken very seriously and acted upon".

Survivors have accused the Church of a "wholly inadequate" response.

Since March the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) has heard how the Church of England handled allegations of sexual misconduct stretching back to the 1950s.

It has been an uncomfortable experience for Church leaders.

The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby described Church failures as "deeply shaming".

The Church of England's Past Cases Review (PCR) of 2010 looked at over 40,000 case files - it is not known whether they all related to abuse claims - but the review concluded that just 13 cases of alleged child sexual abuse needed formal action.

The BBC has seen emails showing discussions and disagreements about which cases to include.

They show confusion about the criteria of who to include. Eventually the PCR excluded those who had died, retired, or who were deemed no longer to pose a risk.

Other excluded cases related to a cleric who was allegedly addicted to pornography and another said to have had an "obsessional interest in satanic ritual abuse".

Sexual offences which had been decriminalised were also left out, leaving the possibility that cases involving abuse of boys of the age of 16 or 17 went unrecorded.

Allegations of grooming behaviour were also excluded. One diocesan bishop did not engage with the review at all and many files containing allegations remained unopened in filing cabinets.

Justin Humphries of the Churches' Child Protection Advisory Service says the review may have failed to identify some abusers.

"I can't say for sure but I think it would be fair to say that yes, that is a distinct possibility."

A report will be published next month into the PCR. It is expected to be highly critical.

The report author, Sir Roger Singleton, has already told the inquiry about multiple failings in the way the review was carried out with "concern about the reliability of the statistics" and "chaotic structure".

Documents also suggest the Church hierarchy worked behind the scenes to limit damage to the reputation of the then-Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams.

In an email exchange in October 2010 - during the Chichester sex abuse scandal - a press adviser to Dr Williams said "the real danger here is that these stories are used to suggest that the CofE is as bad as Rome, both in abuse and cover-up" and "the aim must be to distance the current ABC (Archbishop of Canterbury) from it as much as poss".

Dr Williams told the inquiry he had not previously seen the email

In most cases survivors were not asked to give evidence to the Past Cases Review and there has been criticism of the Church for failing to fully involve them.

Phil Johnson, who was abused by a clergyman in the Chichester Diocese, says the Church's response to survivors has been "wholly inadequate… there's been a sense of paralysis almost on the part of the Church" and "of seeing the survivors as the problem".

The Church of England says criticism of its handling of the review have been taken very seriously and have been acted upon.

It says it will support the recommendations in next month's report by Sir Roger Singleton and has also commissioned a survey from the Social Care Institute for Excellence, asking for the views of survivors.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44565414

-------

So now it's the turn of the C of E .... when will people learn

Last edited by bitontheslide; 22-06-2018 at 08:58 AM.
bitontheslide is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 22-06-2018, 09:06 AM #2
Niamh.'s Avatar
Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,353

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
Niamh.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,353

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Default

When you think about it the Church (any church really) must be a very attractive option for paedophiles (certainly in the past but maybe not so much now as parents are much more aware and less intimidated by the church) they had so much power and respect from people in the community and so much opportunity to be around children. I think people would be less likely to blame the Church as an establishment if they had protected those children when they were made aware of a case of abuse and not tried to cover it up and instead protect the men involved. This is why that argument of "Not all priests are are like that" doesn't hold water for me, as an establishment the Church let people down very very badly and behaved in a way that was the exact opposite of what they're supposed to stand for
__________________

Spoiler:

Quote:
Originally Posted by GiRTh View Post
You compare Jim Davidson to Nelson Mandela?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. View Post
I know, how stupid? He's more like Gandhi.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14 View Post



Katie Hopkins reveals epilepsy made her suicidal - and says she identifies as a MAN
Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia View Post
Just because she is a giant cock, doesn't make her a man.
Niamh. is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 22-06-2018, 09:12 AM #3
Nicky91's Avatar
Nicky91 Nicky91 is offline
Zumi Zimi Zami
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Brabant, Netherlands
Posts: 62,977

Favourites (more):
BB2023: Paul
Strictly 2020: HRVY


Nicky91 Nicky91 is offline
Zumi Zimi Zami
Nicky91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Brabant, Netherlands
Posts: 62,977

Favourites (more):
BB2023: Paul
Strictly 2020: HRVY


Default

omg

Other excluded cases related to a cleric who was allegedly addicted to pornography and another said to have had an "obsessional interest in satanic ritual abuse".


having a obsessional interest in satanic ritual abuse, sorry but that guy has been a disgrace to the church in general
__________________

Taking part in Strictly Jake's Tibb does Strictly Game.
Nicky91 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 22-06-2018, 09:22 AM #4
LeatherTrumpet's Avatar
LeatherTrumpet LeatherTrumpet is offline
You know my methods
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 93,448


LeatherTrumpet LeatherTrumpet is offline
You know my methods
LeatherTrumpet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 93,448


Default

my shocked face
LeatherTrumpet is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 22-06-2018, 09:23 AM #5
Cherie's Avatar
Cherie Cherie is offline
This Witch doesn't burn
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 61,626

Favourites (more):
Strictly 2020: Bill Bailey
BB19: Sian


Cherie Cherie is offline
This Witch doesn't burn
Cherie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 61,626

Favourites (more):
Strictly 2020: Bill Bailey
BB19: Sian


Default

well at least the Catholics are getting a break
__________________


'put a bit of lippy on and run a brush through your hair, we are alcoholics, not savages'
Cherie is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Bookmark/share this topic

Tags
abuse, approach, church, england, lastminute, makes, survivors


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 01:10 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
 

About Us ThisisBigBrother.com

"Big Brother and UK Television Forum. Est. 2001"

 

© 2023
no new posts