[Amy Jade]

Went to Morrisons and there was a baby in a pram outside the card shop next door screaming and a child (no more than 4) holding the pram. I never got involved but two women were asking where his mum was and he must have said in the shop and one woman went inside and the other stayed with the kids.

I never saw what happened but they were fuming and I kind of understood but I also felt bad for the mum

Do you think the older women were interfering or right to approach the children?

[glibberglobber]

right cause they could have been kidnapped

[Matthew.]

i think that the women were in the right to go and find out why they had been left outside. 4 years old and being left outside the shop with a younger sibling, that’s proper not on though

[Alf]

Most women used to leave their babies in the pram outside the shop. Unthinkable now isn't it.

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Most women used to leave their babies in the pram outside the shop. Unthinkable now isn't it.

because we’re more aware of the dangers nowadays

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

because we’re more aware of the dangers nowadays

I'm sure their could be a few reasons. I'd say the break up of communities is one reason.

[Matthew.]

i mean the mum could have had a justified reason to leave her kids outside in the shop, but I would say as a general rule, when they are 4 and younger, it’s not on

[Eddie.]

Yeah the two women did the right thing, imagine all the possible scenarios if they hadn’t, especially in the society we live in now...

Maybe if it was an older child attending to the pram and the baby (12 y/o) I think it would be acceptable...

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm sure their could be a few reasons. I'd say the break up of communities is one reason.

this also, but i would say that because Amy said it was a Morrisons’s, that it’s probably in a busy town/city? although I could be wrong, because i live in a small town and we have a co op, but most supermarkets are in larger towns

[Barry.]

I agree. Why leave a four year old with a baby? Something could of happened.

[Cherie]

Playing devils advocate, the card shop might not have the space for a pram, but maybe she had eyes on them all the time, our local bakery is like that, no room for prams so they are left outside but parents can see them through the glass, if the card shop could accommodate the pram then thats a different issue

[Amy Jade]

It was on a retail park sort of thing. It had a pretty big Morrisons, a card shop, chippy, Home Bargains etc

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Playing devils advocate, the card shop might not have the space for a pram, but maybe she had eyes on them all the time, our local bakery is like that, no room for prams so they are left outside but parents can see them through the glass, if the card shop could accommodate the pram then thats a different issue

I have seen people go round it with prams and in motor scooters before to be fair...

[Toy Soldier]

Outside a local shop in a village or whatever I'd say no younger than 7. Outside a supermarket / in a busy town / retail park etc. I'd say definitely no younger than 10 or 11... and even then only if they're sensible for their age.

[Daniel-X]

Undeniably wrong. Idk how people still do this after what happened to James Bulger. It wasn’t his mum’s fault at all, because it was common back then. But the whole horrific situation wouldn’t have occurred was he not left outside. Surely everyone knows of the case? Idk how people think it’s acceptable after the JB case.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I have seen people go round it with prams and in motor scooters before to be fair...

in that case no excuse then, they should be with her/him

[reece(:]

Children certainly NOT

Animals tied to a lead I don't like either

There was a dog tied to a loose shopping trolley the other day ...

[Alf]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Children certainly NOT

Animals tied to a lead I don't like either

There was a dog tied to a loose shopping trolley the other day ...

You should have untied it and took the trolly back to get the pound.

[rusticgal]

No excuse...retail park or not it was irresponsible. If the card shop was on a retail park then the premises would almost certainly be big enough to allow prams/pushchairs in.

[parmnion]

Well, you know....


I feel sorry for the mum, and all mums who can now NOT leave kids for 5 mins........


If only we had paedo hunters hunting down scum

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Playing devils advocate, the card shop might not have the space for a pram, but maybe she had eyes on them all the time, our local bakery is like that, no room for prams so they are left outside but parents can see them through the glass, if the card shop could accommodate the pram then thats a different issue

That’s still wrong, you could always take the child out of the pram and take them in and keep an eye on the pram, a child isn’t going to make that pram more safer, i would rather lose a pram than a child and i’m sure everyone would. No room for prams is not good enough when you can take the child out of it.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If only we had paedo hunters hunting down scum

Yes, people organising stings against perverts trying to groom and meet up with teenage girls online would DEFINITELY help to stop random child snatchings outside of shops.

[Eddie.]

Yeah the James Bulger case was just SICK.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LukeB

That’s still wrong, you could always take the child out of the pram and take them in and keep an eye on the pram, a child isn’t going to make that pram more safer

Thats easy to say if the baby has just gone off to sleep and you are exhausted and you are watching them from the door way, the bakery doesnt hold 5 people so parents are steps away with the door open

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes, people organising stings against perverts trying to groom and meet up with teenage girls online would DEFINITELY help to stop random child snatchings outside of shops.

Tell me....whats changed since 1982ish when mums could and would leave prams outside shops?


T'net feeding addiction maybe?
Influx of foriegners maybe?