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Twosugars · 05-07-2018, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I have had dogs longer than you have had hot dinners and i dot need a tv programme to tell me how to look after them

maybe you do if you think you need to hit them to make them obey you

and don't make stupid statements that my dogs ruled me
I don't have sense of humour when it comes to my dogs or dog cruelty so back off with your "funny" baiting
there's a whole world of behaviour modification between spoiled dogs and dogs that "need" to be hit, something all owners should now
there's no need for either extreme

Nicky91 · 05-07-2018, 04:44 PM

no, and i'm against every type of animal abuse

Kizzy · 05-07-2018, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Bite them back if they bite you.

That only works on puppies to mimic mummy dog... try it on a stray and you might find that's bogus advice.

chuff me dizzy · 05-07-2018, 04:54 PM

Its the owners who deserve the slap not the dogs !! Owners who think you should fall in love with their mutt ,Owners who dress the poor thing in a dickie bow thinking it looks good ,when it actually looks stupid, owners who spend more on clothes for the dog than they do their kids ,owners who think its fine to let their dog shed its entire fur over your black jeans, owners who dont clean the dog **** up from the pavements .... No the dogs dont deserve a slap .....the owners do

Twosugars · 05-07-2018, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its the owners who deserve the slap not the dogs !! Owners who think you should fall in love with their mutt ,Owners who dress the poor thing in a dickie bow thinking it looks good ,when it actually looks stupid, owners who spend more on clothes for the dog than they do their kids ,owners who think its fine to let their dog shed its entire fur over your black jeans, owners who dont clean the dog **** up from the pavements .... No the dogs dont deserve a slap .....the owners do

It's a rare moment when we totally agree
Dogs should be allowed to be dogs not toys or pretend children

parmnion · 05-07-2018, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

That only works on puppies to mimic mummy dog... try it on a stray and you might find that's bogus advice.

I wouldnt bite a stray dog....yuck..mangy diseased displaced unwanted filthy beasts.

A nice labrador puppy though...mmmmm...yum yum.

chuff me dizzy · 05-07-2018, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

It's a rare moment when we totally agree
Dogs should be allowed to be dogs not toys or pretend children

Its pathetic ,really it is

Twosugars · 05-07-2018, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its pathetic ,really it is

Embarrassing for the dog and telling of the owner

Matthew. · 05-07-2018, 05:11 PM

don’t hit your dog ffs, think it’s standard that people do not do this

parmnion · 05-07-2018, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew.

don’t hit your dog ffs, think it’s standard that people do not do this

Yeah, take it out on the kids instead.

chuff me dizzy · 05-07-2018, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

Embarrassing for the dog and telling of the owner

My sister in law cuddles hers from coming in from work to going to work again the following day, it sleeps with her, it even goes in the bloody bath with her, its got its own dog pushchair for when it rains ,she kisses it on its lips, shares food with it passed from her mouth this dog has just licked its arse and old man clean ffs ,she calls it her baby ,its NOT your baby its a D O G

Alf · 05-07-2018, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you sound like the type of owner who sits on the carpet and eats his tea whilst the dog snoozes on the best chair

Toy Soldier · 05-07-2018, 05:21 PM

It's legit worrying that some people think hitting a "big dog" is a good idea

. Keep it away from children because all you're doing is creating a big aggressive dog. The reason it doesn't bite back at the person doing the hitting is that it thinks that person is above them in the pecking order. And it thinks that the thing to do to anyone below them in the pecking order, is hurt them to assert themself.

In other words; it's going to lash out at other animals, other humans, and especially kids. Well done.

Despite people thinking that dogs are "super smart" - they are not. What they are is easily trained, because they are NOT all that smart, dog psychology is really very basic and all you have to do to assert yourself as your dog's pack leader is act like it. Stand over it, use a strong voice, always GIVE it food (never allow it to TAKE food from you) et voila. No hitting required.

Dogs are susceptible to pavlovian response; action = reward. They have no concept of negative consequence. They have literally no idea why they're being hit, and don't attach the "punishment" to the specific act that you're punishing them for, they just think you're randomly hitting them to gain submission.

parmnion · 05-07-2018, 05:27 PM

How do police train their dogs?

chuff me dizzy · 05-07-2018, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

How do police train their dogs?

By rewarding them ,I watched a documentary on it very interesting

Barry. · 05-07-2018, 05:29 PM

If they attacked or bite people I say yes. Over hyper dogs, maybe a tap on the nose.

kirklancaster · 05-07-2018, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its the owners who deserve the slap not the dogs !! Owners who think you should fall in love with their mutt ,Owners who dress the poor thing in a dickie bow thinking it looks good ,when it actually looks stupid, owners who spend more on clothes for the dog than they do their kids ,owners who think its fine to let their dog shed its entire fur over your black jeans, owners who dont clean the dog **** up from the pavements .... No the dogs dont deserve a slap .....the owners do

Common sense, truth and logic - as always, Chuff.

Twosugars · 05-07-2018, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's legit worrying that some people think hitting a "big dog" is a good idea

. Keep it away from children because all you're doing is creating a big aggressive dog. The reason it doesn't bite back at the person doing the hitting is that it thinks that person is above them in the pecking order. And it thinks that the thing to do to anyone below them in the pecking order, is hurt them to assert themself.

In other words; it's going to lash out at other animals, other humans, and especially kids. Well done.

Despite people thinking that dogs are "super smart" - they are not. What they are is easily trained, because they are NOT all that smart, dog psychology is really very basic and all you have to do to assert yourself as your dog's pack leader is act like it. Stand over it, use a strong voice, always GIVE it food (never allow it to TAKE food from you) et voila. No hitting required.

Dogs are susceptible to pavlovian response; action = reward. They have no concept of negative consequence. They have literally no idea why they're being hit, and don't attach the "punishment" to the specific act that you're punishing them for, they just think you're randomly hitting them to gain submission.

TS, you've spoken so much sense in different threads today

some trumpets (not naming names) should learn from you

chuff me dizzy · 05-07-2018, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Common sense, truth and logic - as always, Chuff.

Why thank you kind sir

kirklancaster · 05-07-2018, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's legit worrying that some people think hitting a "big dog" is a good idea

. Keep it away from children because all you're doing is creating a big aggressive dog. The reason it doesn't bite back at the person doing the hitting is that it thinks that person is above them in the pecking order. And it thinks that the thing to do to anyone below them in the pecking order, is hurt them to assert themself.

In other words; it's going to lash out at other animals, other humans, and especially kids. Well done.

Despite people thinking that dogs are "super smart" - they are not. What they are is easily trained, because they are NOT all that smart, dog psychology is really very basic and all you have to do to assert yourself as your dog's pack leader is act like it. Stand over it, use a strong voice, always GIVE it food (never allow it to TAKE food from you) et voila. No hitting required.

Dogs are susceptible to pavlovian response; action = reward. They have no concept of negative consequence. They have literally no idea why they're being hit, and don't attach the "punishment" to the specific act that you're punishing them for, they just think you're randomly hitting them to gain submission.

Great post, T.S.

As with children, I don't like to witness anyone hitting a dog. There are other ways.

Kazanne · 05-07-2018, 05:40 PM

Sorry I would NEVER hit an animal never mind a dog , I have never had a nasty dog , they have all been as stupid as I am , I find a stern voice is usually enough, Our dog is part of our family , as is the cat , so, no smacking .

Toy Soldier · 05-07-2018, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

How do police train their dogs?

Food rewards and praise, pretty much the only way to properly train a dog. Of course the police trainers are highly skilled at it, and they can also tell very quickly which dogs are "cut out for it" and the others are sold on (or adopted by officers quite often).

My next door neighbour as a kid was a retired police dog trainer, he had two huge ex-police German Shepherds and a massive Black Lab, they were so well trained it was really fascinating.