[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

but its not that is it

its drunks and druggies

dont peddle the innocent homeless myth

there are charities and council help for genuine homeless but there are those who shun that

i want to protect those who use parks for children and old people

i hope you do too

Homelessness leading to addiction or addiction leading to homelessness isn't genuine?

Don't peddle that sh*t!

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Homelessness leading to addiction or addiction leading to homelessness isn't genuine?

Don't peddle that sh*t!

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Homelessness leading to addiction or addiction leading to homelessness isn't genuine?

Don't peddle that sh*t!

you can only help those who want to help themselves

its not big brother

unless you want to take people against their will?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Mokka

its hardly a laughing matter to score likes

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you can only help those who want to help themselves

its not big brother

unless you want to take people against their will?

I haven't suggested you go and force counselling on a random drug addict LT.

Trying to take every last little right away from people who already have nothing is unnecessarily vindictive.

And for what? So Beatrice can take the twins to the park without the real world and its problems spoiling the terribly chipper and perfectly middle class view she's inflicting upon them that doesn't and will never exist?

[MTVN]

Of course homelessness is an issue but ultimately these benches have not been erected to give homeless people a marginally more comfortable resting place. How would you feel about it if you ran a small business nearby like an ice cream stand or a cafe? The image and ambience of any place is important to it's prosperity, if people feel uneasy or unsafe visiting parks or towns then they won't bother and that place goes into decline so it's kinda understandable why councils and local authorities take measures like this. Of course in the same way that's why they should also do what they can to help the homeless out of their situation

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Of course homelessness is an issue but ultimately these benches have not been erected to give homeless people a marginally more comfortable resting place. How would you feel about it if you ran a small business nearby like an ice cream stand or a cafe? The image and ambience of any place is important to it's prosperity, if people feel uneasy or unsafe visiting parks or towns then they won't bother and that place goes into decline so it's kinda understandable why councils and local authorities take measures like this. Of course in the same way that's why they should also do what they can to help the homeless out of their situation

I would do what my favourite cafe does in a popular part of my cities core where business people and homeless alike frequent. I'd build a free food box with my left overs .. and probably off coffee and water to the people in need... build up a relationship... and let them know that during business hours I need the bench for customers but at night they are welcome to it.

It's called shared community

[LaLaLand]

Yes.

[Northern Monkey]

The problem i see with taking away the ‘armrests’ is time.


Homeless people don’t usually have alarm clocks.

What time do homeless people get up?

What time to old people sit on benches?

The homeless need to vacate the bench before the old people get to the park.

Also the smell of piss could be an issue.

The poor homeless man(they’re nearly all men) lays his head down for a good nights shuteye only to find the smell of secondhand Earl Grey on his cheek.

It’s a logistical nightmare tbh.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No they do not - a park is a space for all and the benches are for sitting not boozing or sleeping

But he only works on 25 Dec each year

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The problem i see with taking away the ‘armrests’ is time.


Homeless people don’t usually have alarm clocks.

What time do homeless people get up?

What time to old people sit on benches?

The homeless need to vacate the bench before the old people get to the park.

Also the smell of piss could be an issue.

The poor homeless man(they’re nearly all men) lays his head down for a good nights shuteye only to find the smell of secondhand Earl Grey on his cheek.

It’s a logistical nightmare tbh.

Homeless wake up with dawn's early light... as do the elderly. Just set the local park sprinklers to go off about then... and by the time the old people get there the homeless have cleared off and the smell of "tea" will be washed away lol

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's nice to have armrests

[Toy Soldier]

Ugh both sides of this argument are awful if you think about it...



"They're good because they stop smelly homeless people sleeping there."

"Hey! NO don't do that - some people need to sleep on these park benches."



What a ****ed up world we live in where either of these statements need to be considered.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Ugh both sides of this argument are awful if you think about it...



"They're good because they stop smelly homeless people sleeping there."

"Hey! NO don't do that - some people need to sleep on these park benches."



What a ****ed up world we live in where either of these statements need to be considered.

Indeed TS. A ****ed up world, callous times.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Ugh both sides of this argument are awful if you think about it...



"They're good because they stop smelly homeless people sleeping there."

"Hey! NO don't do that - some people need to sleep on these park benches."



What a ****ed up world we live in where either of these statements need to be considered.

yes isnt reality a bitch

and it gets you no +1's either

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I haven't suggested you go and force counselling on a random drug addict LT.

Trying to take every last little right away from people who already have nothing is unnecessarily vindictive.

And for what? So Beatrice can take the twins to the park without the real world and its problems spoiling the terribly chipper and perfectly middle class view she's inflicting upon them that doesn't and will never exist?

Beartrice and her kids might just be one of those kind souls who stop and chat to the homeless, leaving them with something nice to eat...that is something you will just never know.

[Barry.]

I haven't seen these benches but I do like arms so it's comfy.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Ugh both sides of this argument are awful if you think about it...



"They're good because they stop smelly homeless people sleeping there."

"Hey! NO don't do that - some people need to sleep on these park benches."



What a ****ed up world we live in where either of these statements need to be considered.

And even if the homeless person doesn't sleep on the bench they'll still sit/ slouch on it all day probably .

I haven't really thought about park benches with arm rests or how it is or isn't an issue

[jaxie]

The money spent changing the benches would be better spent trying to help the homeless get off the street and into accommodation.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Mokka

I would do what my favourite cafe does in a popular part of my cities core where business people and homeless alike frequent. I'd build a free food box with my left overs .. and probably off coffee and water to the people in need... build up a relationship... and let them know that during business hours I need the bench for customers but at night they are welcome to it.

It's called shared community

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The money spent changing the benches would be better spent trying to help the homeless get off the street and into accommodation.

and any council will tell you they are already do that

but they also have a duty to citizens and local business and that is what they are doing

[bitontheslide]

Provide sufficient facilities for the homeless, and re-claim our parks and public spaces. It's not beyond the wit of man

[Livia]

I can't imagine people going out of their way to make a homeless person's already cold and uncomfortable life, even worse.

Homelessness shames our nation.

[Black Dagger]

You're all heart LT. I can see what Mrs LT sees in you.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

You're not supposed to sit on the armrest Nicky