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View Poll Results: Should these types of benches be banned? | ||||||
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17-07-2018, 11:20 AM | #101 | |||
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17-07-2018, 02:06 PM | #102 | ||
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17-07-2018, 02:09 PM | #103 | ||
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However, many of these places close down, or in some areas simply don't exist. I find that a tad more sad and important than the "ambience' for an ice cream truck. Last edited by Marsh.; 17-07-2018 at 02:10 PM. |
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17-07-2018, 02:20 PM | #104 | |||
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17-07-2018, 07:28 PM | #105 | ||
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When I was younger I (possibly foolishly, but luckily nothing went wrong) befriended some homeless guy and let him use my bath and that and my spare room for the night. I know I could have woken up and everything was gone but this didn't happen. He actually ended up being my lodger for a while, as once he actually had an address he managed to get a job..oddly enough, employers aren't too keen on employing homeless people. Obviously though, now with the kids I couldn't have random strangers staying here I know my father in law lets homeless people sleep in the sheltered bit just outside his house too...theres kind of an alcove thing thats big enough to shelter maybe 4 people in the rain. They haven't used it as much mind recently, but in bad weather there are always some people sheltering there, day and night. They are so grateful to him for not looking at them like something on the bottom of his shoe or something, and if hes actually in making sandwiches and that he will make them something too..thats when hes not at work mind. In return, they have saved him fortunes because they will tell him/chase off any randomers trying to break into his work van when its parked, and stuff like that. He was getting robbed every few months at one stage and he cannot realistically empty it all of the time as there is nowhere to put the equipment when its not out on gigs as it takes up so much space. So he was just taking the hit each time, while the police ummed and ahhed about if they would actually bother to do anything, which always came down firmly on no Also tbh I don't really get this 'if you wouldn't let homeless people into your house you can have no empathy!!!' kind of attitude.
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17-07-2018, 07:35 PM | #106 | ||
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17-07-2018, 07:37 PM | #107 | ||
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17-07-2018, 07:42 PM | #108 | ||
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You have got to be joking, councils have no bloody properties! I know people who have been on the waiting lists for literally years. If you have kids and are going to be made homeless you are made a priority however, being made a priority these days tends to mean being put in a hostel or a B+B, which obviously the council cannot pay for this for everyone. So a single female/male (which homeless people usually are) have absolutely no chance of getting a council properties. In any of the surrounding areas to me anyway and I am in the North East, I expect its even worse down South.
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17-07-2018, 07:46 PM | #109 | ||
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Quite. I wonder if people would say 'oh so you agree with poor people getting benefits? Give them your whole wage each month or you are talking crap!' or something. 'Agree with foodbanks existing? You must donate your entire months shopping to one!' 'Don't want a power plant near a school? AGREE TO HAVE IT BUILT IN YOUR BACKYARD!!!' Seems to be only with homeless people that this argument applies, from what I have seen anyway.
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17-07-2018, 08:00 PM | #110 | |||
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The other part of that is if we take someone in randomly, we have no idea what "stage" they're in... if they're even prepared to get situated, so to speak. Anyway, I just see it as a balancing act... we can't be too accomodating, because then we enable the issue. On the other hand, we can't also neglect the rest of the population to care for people who legitimately have no desire to get off the streets (and that is a problem in itself). I had a great uncle that passed away many years ago, from assault (disagreement at a bar). Anyway, he was transient and my grandmother took him in... but no matter how much we tried to ground him, he would go back to his old ways. There were kids in the home, so it could only go on for so long before he had to move on, but we all felt bad we couldn't take him in permanently... even though it wasn't on any of his siblings what happened, we had other family members that couldn't be grounded. That was just their way... a lot of my family members are stubborn like this, and it makes both people very miserable to try to reason and shove their view of life onto the other... Society as-it-is may work for most people, but it doesn't work for all, for any variety of reasons... but this is still the best civilization has ever had it. So makes no sense to inconvenience every one else for just a few... but I'm alright with individual establishments opening their doors to folk as Mokka mentioned, giving out free food.. they do a lot of that here. There are restaurants in this area where the food bank will go by and pick up left-overs... so it's not like there are not places for these folk to go. There is definitely a need. I do not agree with a broad stroke approach with govt, bannings, particularly welfare expansion etc, because it influences the market(s) adversely and makes poverty cyclical. I think giving works better and individual needs are better met when the charity is on a one-on-one basis, either an individual, a business or an organization reaching out directly. It's more personable and there is more "giving" in the psychological/emotional sense as well, not just the financial giving tailored to whatever numbers the beaurocratic magicians come up with to "resolve" the problem.. it also doesn't account for "failure", i.e., when money just goes into someone who either isn't genuinely needed or is not the best use for it (like someone who is trading food for cash, etc).. When we pass laws on the other hand to encourage the problem, we're not really doing anything about it... we're more or less just giving society a nice permission slip to ignore the issue and just let the politicians handle it. I don't agree with that either... so balance is necessary in both these areas I think. Anyway, as the question was phrased... I voted against a "ban", because banning anti-homeless benches won't end homelessness... it's just another emotional barrier imo. |
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17-07-2018, 08:19 PM | #111 | |||
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17-07-2018, 09:02 PM | #113 | |||
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17-07-2018, 09:03 PM | #114 | |||
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17-07-2018, 09:06 PM | #115 | |||
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🌈 silly cow 🌈
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18-07-2018, 02:34 AM | #116 | |||
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18-07-2018, 08:03 AM | #117 | |||
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Jessica Meuse was robbed.
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For me it's playing Football and getting Ice Cream.
But personally I feel like we as a society should be helping the homeless, not hindering them even more.
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