[Twosugars]

And i bet all the angels do each other
I know they're meant to be asexual, but cmon they're as camp as Christmas

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

And i bet all the angels do each other
I know they're meant to be asexual, but cmon they're as camp as Christmas

I like the idea of angels, but I prefer the angels in His Dark Materials trilogy...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I thought it was widely held Christian belief that the bible (all of it in order to be officially included), and all official translations, are guided by the hand of God and therefore infallible?

I mean otherwise... you have to take THE ENTIRE BOOK with a pinch of salt, because anyone could have stuck whatever they wanted in there, and there's no way to know which parts are right think:. I mean even the commandments... it's written that they're the direct word of God... but if it's being argued that "flawed men" made up other parts of the bible, it has to be accepted that some bloke could just have made up that part too. Surely?

Not ALL Christians or Jews believe that, T.S. In much the same way that not all Muslims believe that the Quran is 100% the word of Allah.

Only extremists and fundamentalists in the above religions believe that.

As for the emboldened, that's where the discerning utilise a combination of intellect, wisdom, and Faith.

A logical extension of your premise, of course, would be that we should totally disregard ANY book which is found to contain erroneous information; History textbooks which state that Henrik Schleeman excavated Troy - he located the site of ancient Troy but actually virtually destroyed the city by excavating through it to many levels below it.

Or how about disregarding all the information in Science textbooks which might still have now-disproven articles on Static Universe or Cold Fusion?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Not ALL Christians or Jews believe that, T.S. In much the same way that not all Muslims believe that the Quran is 100% the word of Allah.

Only extreme fundamentalists in the above religions believe that.

Surely the point stands though... That if we only know about the commandments from religious texts, but religious texts are fallible and open to being altered or corrupted either initially or during translation, how can anyone be sure that even those are correct?

I mean, maybe there were originally only 8 commandments but then the guy who was writing it walked in on his missus shaking the headboard with the bloke next door, so he was like "OI! What is this? Where's my pen? Hmph. NO ADULTERY. NO TO BANGING YOUR NEIGHBOURS WIFE. THAT MEANS YOU, BOB!" and so now there's 10.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Surely the point stands though... That if we only know about the commandments from religious texts, but religious texts are fallible and open to being altered or corrupted either initially or during translation, how can anyone be sure that even those are correct?

I mean, maybe there were originally only 8 commandments but then the guy who was writing it walked in on his missus shaking the headboard with the bloke next door, so he was like "OI! What is this? Where's my pen? Hmph. NO ADULTERY. NO TO BANGING YOUR NEIGHBOURS WIFE. THAT MEANS YOU, BOB!" and so now there's 10.

That would make 9

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That would make 9

"Thou shalt not commit adultery" and "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife" are two separate commandments . (He was REALLY mad about it)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Thou shalt not commit adultery" and "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife" are two separate commandments . (He was REALLY mad about it)

the first 4 are basically the same as well actually

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

the first 4 are basically the same as well actually

So basically there are two commandments

1) There's only one, awesome God and don't forget it.

2) Get off my missus, Bob!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So basically there are two commandments

1) There's only one, awesome God and don't forget it.

2) Get off my missus, Bob!

Bloody Bob

[Livia]

So this discussion descended into a piss-take like the topic of religion always does.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

So this discussion descended into a piss-take like the topic of religion always does.

Nah, not 'religion' just Judaism and Christianity. I've never witnessed anything similar on the Quran or Islam on here.

Not that it bothers me though, Liv because I KNOW what I know, and am very comfortable in my faith.