[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So words make rape less bad, got it

I mean words are pretty powerful especially when you're in politics. She's not some ignorant troll on social media spewing hate, she's a public figure in politics and if she's saying things like all muslims should be wiped out I'm gonna take her very seriously. I'm not at all justifying what happened to her I wouldn't wish that on anybody but I can't say I hold as much sympathy towards her as would to someone who wasn't calling for a genocide

[Niamh.]

It's odd how even a thread about someone being kidnapped and raped by a gang comes back to being the womans fault.. not surprised really

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I mean words are pretty powerful especially when you're in politics. She's not some ignorant troll on social media spewing hate, she's a public figure in politics and if she's saying things like all muslims should be wiped out I'm gonna take her very seriously. I'm not at all justifying what happened to her I wouldn't wish that on anybody but I can't say I hold a lot of sympathy towards her

this exactly, being a politician is a big responsibility, and i think most people will take anything what they have to say seriously


but also agree with you, i wouldn't wish such disgusting thing as rape, assault and kidnapping on anyone, not even my enemies if i had any


she also could've just been thinking like i need to have police protection cause suicide and leaving your children and husband behind is also not really the best option


police protection and good help trying to overcome from this horrible rape/assault incident

[Matthew.]

was she a prominent politician in the netherlands?

[Kazanne]

She must have been absolutely terrified tbh,poor woman,imagine being killed by the very thing you despise.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

was she a prominent politician in the netherlands?

second most prominent in the PVV behind their party leader Geert Wilders


and some in the Tweede Kamer highest politics branch wanted her out of that because of her anti-muslim views, with also an Eerste Kamer where the lesser debates are held mostly from city mayors and younger teenage politicians

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

second most prominent in the PVV behind their party leader Geert Wilders


and some in the Tweede Kamer highest politics branch wanted her out of that because of her anti-muslim views, with also an Eerste Kamer where the lesser debates are held mostly from city mayors and younger teenage politicians

and is the PVV a prominent party in the netherlands?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

and is the PVV a prominent party in the netherlands?

awful enough my family voted for them, while i didn't want to


Geert Wilders their leader is more like the dutch Trump, but also a mix with Corbyn i guess


he is against any foreigners in our country, but he's being a bit hypocritical with that since his own wife is from Hungary and also doesn't really speak a word dutch


prominent party's here are CDA (christian democrat party) SP (socialistic party) VVD (freedom of democracy party, also from our current PM Mark Rutte) GroenLinks (they are for the youth and nature)

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

awful enough my family voted for them, while i didn't want to


Geert Wilders their leader is more like the dutch Trump, but also a mix with Corbyn i guess

idgi, how’s he like Jeremy Corbyn if he’s also like Donald Trump?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

idgi, how’s he like Jeremy Corbyn if he’s also like Donald Trump?

he looks like Trump, on the daily show with trevor noah was also mentioned Wilders could've been Trump's son

his political views are more like Corbyn's

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's odd how even a thread about someone being kidnapped and raped by a gang comes back to being the womans fault.. not surprised really

I'm not saying it's her fault at all. It's not gone over my head why something like rape was used as a weapon against a woman and I think it's a repugnant thing to do. I condemn those responsible and hope they receive the harshest sentence possible. However when a lot of my extended family and friends muslim I find it hard to a whole lot of sympathy for someone who would rather they were wiped out.

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

he looks like Trump, on the daily show with trevor noah was also mentioned Wilders could've been Trump's son

his political views are more like Corbyn's

but Corbyn is liberal, you said that this Gert man is conservative

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

but Corbyn is liberal, you said that this Gert man is conservative

i meant Corbyn's anti-semitism views, Wilders also has those views

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So words make rape less bad, got it

No. I was just saying it personally makes me feel less sympathetic as opposed to someone who'd just been walking around living their life rather than spewing hate. That's all. It still isn't justified though.

Originally Posted by Withano

Not to play devils advocate.. but you’d surely find the story more sad if the victim was a woman that always showed upmost respect for muslims and was seen by their country as a lovely person

I mean... maybe it shouldnt have been said, but it is unfortunately true.

Yes, that's what I was saying. thank you.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She must have been absolutely terrified tbh,poor woman,imagine being killed by the very thing you despise.

"Thing" - you mean muslims? like, I understand your anger at the rapist but this doesn't represent all muslims..

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I'm not saying it's her fault at all. It's not gone over my head why something like rape was used as a weapon against a woman and I think it's a repugnant thing to do. I condemn those responsible and hope they receive the harshest sentence possible. However when a lot of my extended family and friends muslim I find it hard to a whole lot of sympathy for someone who would rather they were wiped out.

People are quick to disregard the lives of muslims as less important. Imagine if a muslim guy had said he wanted all white people wiped out by an atomic bomb.. right-wing trolls have said and done worse to muslims for simply existing.

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

i meant Corbyn's anti-semitism views, Wilders also has those views

corbyn’s not anti semetic lol

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I'm not saying it's her fault at all. It's not gone over my head why something like rape was used as a weapon against a woman and I think it's a repugnant thing to do. I condemn those responsible and hope they receive the harshest sentence possible. However when a lot of my extended family and friends muslim I find it hard to a whole lot of sympathy for someone who would rather they were wiped out.

It works both ways though armand.kay, they also hate the Western world

Youtube video

There are loads of videos like this.

[glibberglobber]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

was she a prominent politician in the netherlands?

no respect

uncapitalized name of a country

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by glibberglobber

no respect

uncapitalized name of a country

and your point is...

like how is that even relevant mess

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It works both ways though armand.kay, they also hate the Western world

Youtube video

There are loads of videos like this.

This isn't an us vs them situation where every single muslim wants to see the end the western world. Like I said I have muslim friends and family I don't really think they should be lumped in with radicles.

also theres loads of videos I can find of white people expressing hate towards people like me and you don't see me calling for a white genocide

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

This isn't an us vs them situation where every single muslim wants to see the end the western world. Like I said I have muslim friends and family I don't really think they should be lumped in with radicles.

also theres loads of videos I can find of white people expressing hate towards people like me and you don't see me calling for a white genocide

That's what I said armand.kay it works both ways, I have muslim friends too I think most of us have, it's a shame anyone hates anyone really,but there is a lot of it about.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I mean words are pretty powerful especially when you're in politics. She's not some ignorant troll on social media spewing hate, she's a public figure in politics and if she's saying things like all muslims should be wiped out I'm gonna take her very seriously. I'm not at all justifying what happened to her I wouldn't wish that on anybody but I can't say I hold as much sympathy towards her as would to someone who wasn't calling for a genocide

I'd prefer politicians to be honest and say what they believe to gain votes rather than be dishonest to gain votes.

[parmnion]

I think we should all take the ppv's advice and "leave willie alone"


Until the accusations and story is confirmed.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's what I said armand.kay it works both ways, I have muslim friends too I think most of us have, it's a shame anyone hates anyone really,but there is a lot of it about.

yeah it really a shame

Originally Posted by Alf

I'd prefer politicians to be honest and say what they believe to gain votes rather than be dishonest to gain votes.

Did I give off the impression that I would have it another way?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

This isn't an us vs them situation where every single muslim wants to see the end the western world. Like I said I have muslim friends and family I don't really think they should be lumped in with radicles.

also theres loads of videos I can find of white people expressing hate towards people like me and you don't see me calling for a white genocide

Yes it certainly isn't and I don't in anyway shape or form agree with her views or what she said