[LeatherTrumpet]

I expect she thought it was her house and she had uncovered an intruder, you cant be too careful in USA

Im sure it was just a freak accident

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Im sure it was just a freak accident

How? We don't know all of the facts.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

How? We don't know all of the facts.

yes just speculation like us all

once all the evidence is in I am sure that will be the case

but you are right to highlight the danger of speculation based on scant evidence, just like the whole BLM debacle

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I expect she thought it was her house and she had uncovered an intruder, you cant be too careful in USA

Im sure it was just a freak accident

More Tragic

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

How? We don't know all of the facts.

oh touche marshie

You're allowed speculate that the cop was right i think

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

oh touche marshie

You're allowed speculate that the cop was right i think

[LeatherTrumpet]

your smug moosh and neems post would only work if i had not put "I expect"

i was aware it was idle speculation as is all of this thread (mixed in with the usual anti-police sentiment)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

your smug moosh and neems post would only work if i had not put "I expect"

i was aware it was idle speculation as is all of this thread (mixed in with the usual anti-police sentiment)

Yes I expect that neighbor was probably a perp anyway

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Pathetic. Manslaughter? She murdered the poor man in cold blood!

also it would also have looked better had you not posted the above on page one

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes I expect that neighbor was probably a perp anyway

we have yet to establish if that is correct


and by the way it was not a next door neighbour as i read, it was on a different floor

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

we have yet to establish if that is correct


and by the way it was not a next door neighbour as i read, it was on a different floor

odd indeed

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

odd indeed

this is why we have courts and not mob justice

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and by the way it was not a next door neighbour as i read, it was on a different floor

More evidence against the murderer.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

also it would also have looked better had you not posted the above on page one

It's called sarcasm.

I'm not the one lecturing the whole thread on what they can and cannot comment because it doesn't fall in line to what you think and so try to silence them with ridiculous comments you don't apply to yourself.

But, yes... carry on.

[Maru]

One report is saying she never gained entry. [B]Mayor said she parked on the wrong floor of the parking garage and went to apt on wrong floor[/B. She used her key on the door which obviously didn't work. The victim opened the door which initiated the interaction... so she never gained entry to the apartment.

Another has neighbors saying they heard "Police, Open up" at some point...

Another report:

Botham Jean's door was unlocked, lights were off when Officer Amber Guyger mistook his apartment for hers, official says
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dall...-official-says

The Dallas police officer who killed 26-year-old Botham Jean in his own apartment got inside because the door wasn’t locked, a law enforcement official said Sunday.

Officer Amber Guyger had just ended a 15-hour shift when she parked on the wrong level of the South Side Flats garage— the fourth floor instead of the third, where she lived, according to the official who has direct knowledge of the case but is not authorized to discuss it publicly.

Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings also said Sunday that Guyger parked on the wrong floor.

She went to the door she thought was hers but was one floor too high. The four floors of the South Side Flats in the Cedars look the same, with concrete floors and tan doors. A light fixture to the side of each door displays the apartment number.

Guyger, 30, was arrested Sunday on a manslaughter charge and was booked into the Kaufman County Jail. The Texas Rangers are investigating the case at the request of Dallas Police Chief U. Renee Hall. In the last year, juries have sentenced two police officers in Dallas County to prison time after convicting them of murder.

The night of the shooting, Guyger didn’t notice that Jean's door had a red doormat in front of it, the official said. Her entrance didn’t have one.

Flowers at the front door of Botham Jean, who Dallas police say was shot Thursday by Amber Guyger, an off-duty police officer who said mistakenly thought her apartment was his. Guyger was in uniform. She was arrested Sunday on a manslaughter charge.

Guyger, who was still in uniform, put her key in the door, which was unlocked, and the door opened, the official said. The lights were out. She saw a figure in the darkness and thought her
apartment was being burglarized, the official said. Guyger pulled her gun and fired twice.

When she turned on the lights, she realized she was in the wrong apartment. Jean, who worked for PricewaterhouseCoopers, was shot once in the chest.

Authorities have said Guyger and Jean, a native of Saint Lucia in the Caribbean, did not know each other. Guyger, a nearly five-year veteran of the Police Department, had recently moved into the complex.

Guyger called 911 crying, the official said. She repeatedly said, “I thought it was my apartment” and apologized to Jean.

“I’m so sorry,” she can be heard saying on the recording of the 911 call, the official said. Police arrived within four minutes.

A video taken by someone at the apartment complex shows Guyger in the hallway crying and pacing with a phone to her ear.

The video shows paramedics rushing by with Jean on a stretcher as a paramedic kneels on top of him, performing chest compressions.

Jean, who is remembered as someone who "loved mankind," was pronounced dead at Baylor University Medical Center.

[Maru]

This reporting/rumors have been an utter mess... if you search the lady's name on Instagram, there's an account with witness video as well... the man being rolled away on stretcher while receiving chest pumps by EMT... and the officer "pacing" in another.. but you can better see how the building itself looks on the inside...

Anyone, more background on her:

https://heavy.com/news/2018/09/amber-guyger/

[arista]

Yes sure she worked a long day.
But this is still so Tragic
she went in the wrong flat.

She is Sadly Guilty of Murder
of a innocent black man.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes sure she worked a long day.
But this is still so Tragic
she went in the wrong flat.

She is Sadly Guilty of Murder
of a innocent black man.

Yep, a young man with his whole life ahead of him, very sad

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Maru

This reporting/rumors have been an utter mess... if you search the lady's name on Instagram, there's an account with witness video as well... the man being rolled away on stretcher while receiving chest pumps by EMT... and the officer "pacing" in another.. but you can better see how the building itself looks on the inside...

Anyone, more background on her:

https://heavy.com/news/2018/09/amber-guyger/

Thank you for this Maru. It is proving so difficult to find information on this on the net.

Whatever the facts are behind it, I think the fact that she was involved in a previous fatal shooting despite her relatively short time in the force may prove to be damning for her come any trial.

[Maru]

[Denver]

She should face the death penalty

[Toy Soldier]

IF it's found that they were indeed strangers and had no personal connection / there had been no dispute between them (a noise dispute is possible, given that it's directly above?) or anything like that, then I'm inclined to believe it based on that report. If the hallways all look the same, and she simply absent-mindedly drove her car up one too many levels in the parking garage, then it is feasible that she thought she had returned to her own apartment and found the door ajar / someone inside.

A tragic misunderstanding if so.

However, ONCE AGAIN, it does strike me that if this had happened in the UK, she would NOT have been carrying a lethal firearm. She would have shouted or screamed or said "Who the **** are you, get out!!", MAYBE she might have thrown something at him, and then they would have both realised the mistake and probably have had a good laugh about it and told the story for years to come. Instead, she was able to put a bullet in him in seconds before anyone had time to think.


Which also makes me realise, in the story above where me and my friends went to the wrong house and started trying to get in / shouting at the windows... in a large number of US states... we might well have been ****ing shot .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

IF it's found that they were indeed strangers and had no personal connection / there had been no dispute between them (a noise dispute is possible, given that it's directly above?) or anything like that, then I'm inclined to believe it based on that report. If the hallways all look the same, and she simply absent-mindedly drove her car up one too many levels in the parking garage, then it is feasible that she thought she had returned to her own apartment and found the door ajar / someone inside.

A tragic misunderstanding if so.

However, ONCE AGAIN, it does strike me that if this had happened in the UK, she would NOT have been carrying a lethal firearm. She would have shouted or screamed or said "Who the **** are you, get out!!", MAYBE she might have thrown something at him, and then they would have both realised the mistake and probably have had a good laugh about it and told the story for years to come. Instead, she was able to put a bullet in him in seconds before anyone had time to think.


Which also makes me realise, in the story above where me and my friends went to the wrong house and started trying to get in / shouting at the windows... in a large number of US states... we might well have been ****ing shot .

Yeah totally agree. Once again guns and shoot first ask questions later mentality that's caused this. It's actually worse because she's a Police Officer too, she should be trained not to just fire her gun like that