[LeatherTrumpet]

Didnt Snape get fingered in Operation Yewtree?

[Toy Soldier]

They'd have kicked off if it was a white female. Or a non-white male. Basically Nagini had to be a white male or else everyone would have kicked off.

Except then they'd have kicked off because they cast another white male.


Then again, it's a ****ing daft twist anyway and everything outside of the main Harry Potter series canon is cash-cow trash.. so...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Didnt Snape get fingered in Operation Yewtree?

It was in "The Half-Blood Prince", I think.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I mean I think it's totally possible to enjoy Harry Potter as a franchise while also recognizing that it's a bunch of straight white cis bull**** and acknowledging that JK Rowling is hilariously awful at this point with her absurd retconning to appeal to the left. Like "Lupin being a werewolf is actually an extended metaphor for the HIV/AIDS" crisis is a laughably stupid point to throw out there in 2016, but then it's also kinda offensive when you're comparing AIDS to a condition where you lose control of your body and start attacking people once a month, and then it's even more offensive when you consider that Greyback was a werewolf and also pretty much a child predator.

mess did she really say that?

[Toy Soldier]

Rowling is hardly the first person to use Werewolves / Vampires as an STI metaphor, though, so I don't know why the focus is so much on that (well, rather, I do; the huge commercial success and visibility of the series... but she's far from the first).

Aspects of Vampire mythology come ENTIRELY from the fear of sexually transmitted infections such as syphilis / other blood-borne disease.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They'd have kicked off if it was a white female. Or a non-white male. Basically Nagini had to be a white male or else everyone would have kicked off.

Except then they'd have kicked off because they cast another white male.

Then again, it's a ****ing daft twist anyway and everything outside of the main Harry Potter series canon is cash-cow trash.. so...

But then they'd whinge it's transphobic, as Nagini is referred to as female in the books.

[Glenn.]

I’ve read Harry Potter start to finish, back to front and never considered Nagini to even be a slave to Voldemort. There was always a fondness towards her and besides, you wouldn’t put a piece of your soul in a servant. People are just moaning for the sake of moaning.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I’ve read Harry Potter start to finish, back to front and never considered Nagini to even be a slave to Voldemort. There was always a fondness towards her and besides, you wouldn’t put a piece of your soul in a servant. People are just moaning for the sake of moaning.

True; she was the closest thing to an "equal" or "friend" he had (in his mind)... so really, it's a good thing?

[JoshBB]

Absolute idiocy. Seems like a desperate attempt to be fake woke, when actually there's no racism here.

People bang on about representation and when they get it, they moan. Smh

[Oliver_W]

Youtube video

Oh gods, now this mess is sticking her oar in, I think that's a pretty big flag the arguments are just stupid.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

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The last part answers your question. The difference is her control over it is brief and she will become the beast permanently.

[y.winter]

The Malfoy Family and Voldemort are whiter than white and are the epitome of the Slytherin house - villains, snakes, all of that.
Is this a bloody joke?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I mean I think it's totally possible to enjoy Harry Potter as a franchise while also recognizing that it's a bunch of straight white cis bull**** and acknowledging that JK Rowling is hilariously awful at this point with her absurd retconning to appeal to the left. Like "Lupin being a werewolf is actually an extended metaphor for the HIV/AIDS" crisis is a laughably stupid point to throw out there in 2016, but then it's also kinda offensive when you're comparing AIDS to a condition where you lose control of your body and start attacking people once a month, and then it's even more offensive when you consider that Greyback was a werewolf and also pretty much a child predator.

Straight cis white?

The most bullsh*t is coming from people who think every story/series/franchise must have a representative for every bloody person on the planet, which is impossible. No matter what diverse group of people JK chose to write about there would be someone somewhere criticising her for leaving them out, so I guess unless writers can include everyone they should just stop writing.

FYI, you're taking the HIV comparison far too literally. The only comparison that was made was that the blood disease suffered in the universe of the stories creates a stigma around wizards in a similar way to what HIV/AIDs does/did to a person in the real world. And that comparison was first made a long time ago.
To take that and say "Oooh, she's calling AIDS sufferers werewolves" is ridiculous hysteria on your part.

Like the comparisons always drawn between Voldemort and his hatred of Muggles with that of Hitler and the Jews have been around since the books were first released. She's not making a literal comparison.

[y.winter]

Thinking about it, suggesting that it's racist is even more racist.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Youtube video

I've had to switch off with the bullsh*t comments about Dumbledore at the beginning.

His relationship with Grinelwald isn't addressed in the new movie, because they don't actually share any scenes and their relationship isn't the focal point of the story. BUT it will be in a future instalment. This is only part 2 of a 5 part franchise.

But, hey, don't let that get in the way of people making ridiculously hysterical youtube videos.

Also, "You can have people of colour as villains but you should have people of colour as good people too!" Erm, there are at least two POC protagonists too.

Edit - Also, why is this white woman getting defensive on behalf of Asians?

[Marsh.]

This is what BUGS me about stuff like this.

EVERYTHING must be EVERYTHING and do ANYTHING for EVERYONE at ALL TIMES or you're an ism or a phobe.

[Lostie!]

I always knew Neville Longbottom was racist.

[Marsh.]

She just accused her of being transphobic now for saying the "Maledictus curse only affects women" which would include trans-men who were born women.

I AM DONE!

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I always knew Neville Longbottom was racist.

It's the teeth. He uses them to chomp down on the jugulars of ethnic minority snakes.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

This is what BUGS me about stuff like this.

EVERYTHING must be EVERYTHING and do ANYTHING for EVERYONE at ALL TIMES or you're an ism or a phobe.

Why are you being so racist about oppressed people Marsh? White. Male. Asexual. TiBB Most Loved winner. You have it all and you think you can talk about oppression?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Why are you being so racist about oppressed people Marsh? White. Male. Asexual. TiBB Most Loved winner. You have it all and you think you can talk about oppression?

Don't oppress my lack of oppression.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Straight cis white?

The most bullsh*t is coming from people who think every story/series/franchise must have a representative for every bloody person on the planet, which is impossible. No matter what diverse group of people JK chose to write about there would be someone somewhere criticising her for leaving them out, so I guess unless writers can include everyone they should just stop writing.

FYI, you're taking the HIV comparison far too literally. The only comparison that was made was that the blood disease suffered in the universe of the stories creates a stigma around wizards in a similar way to what HIV/AIDs does/did to a person in the real world. And that comparison was first made a long time ago.
To take that and say "Oooh, she's calling AIDS sufferers werewolves" is ridiculous hysteria on your part.

Like the comparisons always drawn between Voldemort and his hatred of Muggles with that of Hitler and the Jews have been around since the books were first released. She's not making a literal comparison.

My point isn't so much "Rowling is a homophobe bc she compared being a werewolf to being gay," it's more that "Rowling's constant attempts to keep HP in the spotlight through absurd retconning is kinda really stupid and often times not a good look." Like the idea that she was holding onto this information for 20 years ago how Nagini *really* was an Asian woman all along is laughably absurd. Like I can't wait until there's a Pottermore update in 2021 where we learn that Viktor Krum sat down for the Bulgarian national anthem at the Quidditch World Cup.

[Glenn.]

Do I believe JK knew this about Nagini from the beginning? Yes. She is and was absurdly thorough when planning this story. You would have to be, as it’s a complex story.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

My point isn't so much "Rowling is a homophobe bc she compared being a werewolf to being gay," it's more that "Rowling's constant attempts to keep HP in the spotlight through absurd retconning is kinda really stupid and often times not a good look." Like the idea that she was holding onto this information for 20 years ago how Nagini *really* was an Asian woman all along is laughably absurd. Like I can't wait until there's a Pottermore update in 2021 where we learn that Viktor Krum sat down for the Bulgarian national anthem at the Quidditch World Cup.

"Keep HP in the spotlight" Well, Fantastic Beasts is a new series of movies so she's hardly not going to discuss it all more is she?

The HIV/Lycanthropy comparison is not a retcon, it's a comparison and one that was made a very long time ago. Much like the Nazi parallels. It changes nothing.

What's laughably absurd about the Nagini twist? Whether she did think of it 20 years ago or not it's hardly like saying Harry was a young version of Dumbledore all along and radically changes the entire plot. In fact, it changes very little of the plot. Or is it laughably absurd because it's a woman becoming a snake? In which case.... erm, it's Harry Potter. Professor McGonagall turns into a cat. Fantasy fiction tends to be outlandish.

The woman in the video above seems to have confused herself over how and why this casting is "racist" but didn't think to get her argument in order before spouting off on youtube.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

it’s a complex story.

Is it? I won't argue that Rowling's world-building is exceptional. Her writing (especially dialogue) technically isn't "amazing", but the universe she's crafted is... however, the story itself is a relatively simple one?