[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I guess some people just can't understand the difference in questioning a housemates morals after seeing them in the house for months and questioning soneones parenting skills with zero perspective on said skills.

Sad really but not shocked at all.

I guess someone can attack someones morals like you attack personal features...that's a moral to be questioned in itself.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Lewis was criticised for his actions because they were criminal convictions though, he admitted to them in his VT.

Unless you have evidence to prove Sian is a bad parent then anyone insinuating she is are vile. Calling someones parenting of a small child into question is genuinely horrific. If you felt the need to question her parents for the way she was raised then I would say fair game but to attack her parenting of her 4 year old is just vindictive.

As I had no idea she even had a child, please direct those comments to those who actually posted these comments, not me.

It's come one, come all in criticisms about the housemates and it's quite a pleasant feeling to see those who took so much pleasure in slating Lewis, now having to defend their own favourites perceived failings.

[Liam-]

Judging anybodies parenting skills because of their appearance on a reality show is awful and unnecessary, but we can’t have it both ways where it’s okay to be done to one housemate but not to another, it shouldn’t be a pick and chose situation, but it’s sad that some people seem to think it is.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I guess someone can attack someones morals like you attack personal features...that's a moral to be questioned in itself.

Yes they can if they want as we see them on the show. If somebody called Sian ugly that is an opinion and I wouldn't care.

To to try and insinuate she is a bad parent is evil but looking at who has said it it is rather fitting.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Judging anybodies parenting skills because of their appearance on a reality show is awful and unnecessary, but we can’t have it both ways where it’s okay to be done to one housemate but not to another, it shouldn’t be a pick and chose situation, but it’s sad that some people seem to think it is.

Who thinks it is?

You keep piping up with these barbed comments with very little relevance to the conversation actually going on.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

As I had no idea she even had a child, please direct those comments to those who actually posted these comments, not me.

Nobody said you personally did.

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

It's come one, come all in criticisms about the housemates and it's quite a pleasant feeling to see those who took so much pleasure in slating Lewis, now having to defend their own favourites perceived failings.

I agree criticism of housemates is absoloutely fine. If you called Sian a cold heartless cow that is your opinion and like it or not I would debate it but not disrespect your opinion but comments about her parenting are simply below the belt. If you cannot see that then just wowsers.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jules82

The unfortunate thing about todays society is, too many young go in for one night stands, some do not even tell the other person. There are other things whereby the male may not know but...for those who do they should take full responsiblity, many do if they are allowed to. Some go into bad marriages or partnerships, no matter what, the child is always at risk. Sad tbh and yes I agree in this day and age the man is as responsible as the woman.

Off hand I cannot remember any HM being a stay at home father, normally the wife or partner has the child, as in Akeem, I think he has a child and a wife...not really sure though. Life is more geared for the man really.

I don't know any stay at home Mums, they all work outside the home either full or part time, I agree men get away with far too much, I can't comment on Sians status or where the Dad is as it has only been mentioned that she is a single Mum

[Jase.]

“Sian is evil for giving Zoe 0 coins when she knows she has a kid”

I don't like Sian AT all but she picked Zoe to get her letter from home so wut lol

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by BBJames619

Literally 90% of them are Lewis fans.. and most of the reasons they bring up don’t even make sense..

A few examples..

“Sian is evil for taking Akeems coins even though Brooke had 1000”
= She clearly didn’t want to steal her best friends coins..

“No emotion after Lewis was removed”
= Neither of them liked each other.. why would she be upset?

“Sian is evil for giving Zoe 0 coins when she knows she has a kid”
= She told everyone she had a low number but Zoe asked for it, what did she do wrong?

Firstly only 1 of those examples are anything to do with Lewis and secondly she said in the garden she didn't really care Lewis left when Zoe pointed out her resting bitch face on hearing the news he had been removed.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Who thinks it is?

You keep piping up with these barbed comments with very little relevance to the conversation actually going on.

It’s very relevant to the conversation, considering a bunch of people have continuously questioned Zoe’s parenting, Some saying she deserves her kid taken away from her, I can’t remember seeing a moral outrage when that was happening, people seemed to find it funny because they didn’t like her, but now because some people are questioning Sian’s parenting (which is equally as wrong) it’s suddenly unacceptable, it’s just all very fishy to me.

Also, let’s not get into barbed comments with your ‘not a surprise who’s making the comments’ after calling something evil.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Yes they can if they want as we see them on the show. If somebody called Sian ugly that is an opinion and I wouldn't care.

To to try and insinuate she is a bad parent is evil but looking at who has said it it is rather fitting.

And vice versa

Zoe has had many similar accusations aimed at her.

The moral of the story is, if you dish it out, then you have to learn to take it.
It is quite satisfying after weeks of having it come this way.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Jase.

“Sian is evil for giving Zoe 0 coins when she knows she has a kid”

I don't like Sian AT all but she picked Zoe to get her letter from home so wut lol

Not only that but Sian openly admitted it was a low number and Zoe chose to take it, Sian never forced her to take it.

[Jules82]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Lewis was criticised for his actions because they were criminal convictions though, he admitted to them in his VT.

Unless you have evidence to prove Sian is a bad parent then anyone insinuating she is are vile. Calling someones parenting of a small child into question is genuinely horrific. If you felt the need to question her parents for the way she was raised then I would say fair game but to attack her parenting of her 4 year old is just vindictive.

What exactly did Lewis do in his VT, I didnt watch it tbh but these VTs are generally exagerated to gain a place in the house. Prove that he is a criminal? Noone can anymore than anyone can prove that Sian is a bad parent. To bring it up makes one investigate, nothing is seen on line re Lewis so far as I know. The one thing shown about Sian is the smoking video, that in itself gives a bad impression of a parent. The self adulation, remember Lewis doesnt haves any children so we cannot compare there...where is the adulation for the child? Just saying ....

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s very relevant to the conversation, considering a bunch of people have continuously questioned Zoe’s parenting, Some saying she deserves her kid taken away from her, I can’t remember seeing a moral outrage when that was happening, people seemed to find it funny because they didn’t like her, but now because some people are questioning Sian’s parenting (which is equally as wrong) it’s suddenly unacceptable, it’s just all very fishy to me.

Also, let’s not get into barbed comments with your ‘not a surprise who’s making the comments’ after calling something evil.

I never saw anyone say Zoe should have her child taken away, If you did why didn't you speak up?

[lewys]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s very relevant to the conversation, considering a bunch of people have continuously questioned Zoe’s parenting, Some saying she deserves her kid taken away from her

i literally don't think i've seen one person saying this

[Jules82]

Originally Posted by Jase.

“Sian is evil for giving Zoe 0 coins when she knows she has a kid”

I don't like Sian AT all but she picked Zoe to get her letter from home so wut lol

To be non biased about anyone, everyone will be doing their best now to look goody goody, it is the last week so they will all be playing a game. There wont be any upsets because they are each of a certain mind....the money and what do the public think of me....it is going to be rather tame, hidey seek mmmm nah!!!

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Yes they can if they want as we see them on the show. If somebody called Sian ugly that is an opinion and I wouldn't care.

To to try and insinuate she is a bad parent is evil but looking at who has said it it is rather fitting.

You see that's where you are wrong. We are here to judge behaviour not looks. I often read the discussion thread as the show is on for the first 20mins or so then I watch on catchup. Its certainly not the first time but I remember reading through one as comments were being added and between you and a couple of others the comments about Zoe and Cameron..their teeth, complexion, build and hair made really disgusting reading. At every opportunity you called Lewis up on his past crimes. Just because he owned up to it makes no difference..you judged him on it....so if you can judge him on that then people can judge Sian on her judgement as a parent...or is it one rule for you??

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I never saw anyone say Zoe should have her child taken away, If you did why didn't you speak up?

I did, an entire thread dedicated to questioning her parenting was deleted, people making endless comments on what she buys with her sons disability money instead of using it for him, it was some of the vilest stuff I’ve seen since I’ve been on the forum.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by lewys

i literally don't think i've seen one person saying this

It was deleted pretty quickly I think, but it was definitely said

[Jules82]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

So if you know nothing about her parenting then why pass judgement at all and insinuate she is an unprotective parent?

She hasn't abandoned him at all he is with his grandparents and only temporarily, seems a very desperate and cheap shot at her to try and shame her especially as I see none of those saying it level the same at Zoe. To me it just seems like Lewis fans attacking her because she was the last person he targetted and they wish to carry on his vendetta.

If you read my post correctly you will see that I said I do not know anything about Sian in these quarters, thus I am not attacking her for something I do not know! I would rather guess that Lewis fans are not that shallow, it is more to do with this forum and the hate he has received, nothing at all to do with the HM other than the fact that I personally, do not like her. We are talking about Sian and not Zoe, once again I personally do not know anything about the girl only what has been seen.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Nobody said you personally did.


I agree criticism of housemates is absoloutely fine. If you called Sian a cold heartless cow that is your opinion and like it or not I would debate it but not disrespect your opinion but comments about her parenting are simply below the belt. If you cannot see that then just wowsers.

Unless I missed it, I have never heard Sian mention she had a child, missed him or even express her love for him before last night.

Zoe, at least mentioned hers and we were left with no doubt that she thinks the world of him.

Sian has exuded a cold hard persona, for weeks, so pardon us if people think she is not as nice as you seem to think she is, she has done little but booze, bitch and snipe about others and smirked at times when others showed a sympathetic side.

So make all the wowsers you like, with the comments made towards Lewis, the moral high ground is quite some distance away.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Sian has exuded a cold hard persona, for weeks, so pardon us if people think she is not as nice as you seem to think she is, she has done little but booze, bitch and snipe about others and smirked at times when others showed a sympathetic side.

So make all the wowsers you like, with the comments made towards Lewis, the moral high ground is quite some distance away.

You have summed up Sian perfectly....

[Denver]

I guess not everyone can be a sexy skinny legend like our Sian

[Yaki da]

If the mob on twitter hate Sian that's all the more reason to like her. It might mean she's gonna get booed on Friday though. They'll always gun for someone, and given that many of them will be Lewis fans, she'll probably be the one who gets it.

[Jules82]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I guess not everyone can be a sexy skinny legend like our Sian

Beautiful figure, lovely face but.....here does that mean you are all only standing up for her because she is beautiful.....wow what if she were ugly? only joking but I seem to remember that one being played out for Lewis.