[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Withano

Parmnion after he rereads TS’s soup metaphor and realises his part in the story

Stop name dropping.

[michael21]

Cant wait for may to announce the second public vote the sooner the better

[Cherie]

I think May is being a bit pompous, why should the MPs only have the say on the deal she has made, put it back to the country, the MPs haven't got the balls to make a decision, too busy resigning and looking after themselves

[LeatherTrumpet]

so just why cant Nicola have a second referendum then?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so just why cant Nicola have a second referendum then?

Bc the English are a bunch of HYPOCRITES my love that's why!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so just why cant Nicola have a second referendum then?

Because the gap to remain was about 20 per cent and it was billed as a once in a lifetime job, and there were no lies as far as I can see during the campaign, the vote to go out of the EU could not be foreseen, as a leaver I would have thought you would be happy as Nicola would want to take you straight back in to the EU?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Because the gap to remain was about 20 per cent and it was billed as a once in a lifetime job, and there were no lies as far as I can see during the campaign, the vote to go out of the EU could not be foreseen, as a leaver I would have thought you would be happy as Nicola would want to take you straight back in to the EU?

It was not billed as that, one person said it was that nd plenty others said other stuff

there were a mountain of lies from project fear, probably more than the EU one

It was a mere 11% gap

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Because the gap to remain was about 20 per cent and it was billed as a once in a lifetime job, and there were no lies as far as I can see during the campaign, the vote to go out of the EU could not be foreseen, as a leaver I would have thought you would be happy as Nicola would want to take you straight back in to the EU?

The campaign was won on the basis of an entire document of promises for Scotland, very few of which have ever even been MENTIONED since, let alone delivered.

And let's not forget, Brexit isn't just a random consideration here - the "No" campaign in Scotland used EU membership as a reason that Scotland should stay in the UK, repeatedly insisting that Scotland's place in the EU was at risk if we went independent, and that the "only way to guarantee" continued access to the European market was to stick with the UK.

...and then a couple of years later they dragged us out of it. It's a joke.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The campaign was won on the basis of an entire document of promises for Scotland, very few of which have ever even been MENTIONED since, let alone delivered.

And let's not forget, Brexit isn't just a random consideration here - the "No" campaign in Scotland used EU membership as a reason that Scotland should stay in the UK, repeatedly insisting that Scotland's place in the EU was at risk if we went independent, and that the "only way to guarantee" continued access to the European market was to stick with the UK.

...and then a couple of years later they dragged us out of it. It's a joke.

the Scottish leavers must be happy though, anyway I think most people would be happy for you guys to have a second vote, its just Nicola wanted it in the middle of this debacle, she just has to wait

[Nicky91]

ew

no deal brexit would turn UK into a dictatorship

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It was not billed as that, one person said it was that nd plenty others said other stuff

there were a mountain of lies from project fear, probably more than the EU one

It was a mere 11% gap

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The campaign was won on the basis of an entire document of promises for Scotland, very few of which have ever even been MENTIONED since, let alone delivered.

And let's not forget, Brexit isn't just a random consideration here - the "No" campaign in Scotland used EU membership as a reason that Scotland should stay in the UK, repeatedly insisting that Scotland's place in the EU was at risk if we went independent, and that the "only way to guarantee" continued access to the European market was to stick with the UK.

...and then a couple of years later they dragged us out of it. It's a joke.

If there was another Referendum do you two really think it would go through this time? Have opinions changed up there with people you knew had previously voted to remain in the UK?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

ew

no deal brexit would turn UK into a dictatorship

please can you explain to the thread what precisley you mean?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

If there was another Referendum do you two really think it would go through this time? Have opinions changed up there with people you knew had previously voted to remain in the UK?

I think we have had quite enough of the toxic disgusting Westminster charades and would like top run out own affairs

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

please can you explain to the thread what precisley you mean?

i meant it like if they got so many signatures for that awful ''no deal brexit'' a second referendum isn't going to be there

denying all of the british people to choose for themselves what they want feels like a dictatorship


i'm pretty sure those many signatures came from Farage and his loyal pack of ''leave means leave'' followers

[MTVN]

Even Sturgeon isn't calling for a second Scottish referendum yet cos she knows they'd lose again

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Even Sturgeon isn't calling for a second Scottish referendum yet cos she knows they'd lose again

incorrect she is letting TM and the awful English government do all the Adverting and Marketing she needs to win the next one

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

the Scottish leavers must be happy though

Well that doesn't matter because 60% voted remain and - as we know - the only thing that matters in a democracy is pleasing the majority, and everyone else can **** off. That's one of the founding principles of democracy.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

If there was another Referendum do you two really think it would go through this time? Have opinions changed up there with people you knew had previously voted to remain in the UK?

I honestly don't know, but I do know that there's an overwhelming feeling up here that the Scottish parliament is both friendlier and more caring, AND more professional than the nonsense in Westminster. And that doesn't just apply to the current government; it's true of all parties, even the Scottish Conservatives. It's just a much more modern, level-headed and respectful political environment and people are sick to the back teeth of the London pantomime.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I honestly don't know, but I do know that there's an overwhelming feeling up here that the Scottish parliament is both friendlier and more caring, AND more professional than the nonsense in Westminster. And that doesn't just apply to the current government; it's true of all parties, even the Scottish Conservatives. It's just a much more modern, level-headed and respectful political environment and people are sick to the back teeth of the London pantomime.

bang on

[Tom4784]

I'm of the mindset that people are getting what they have voted for and they have to deal with it but if there's enough calls for another referendum then the government must listen. You can't call Brexit the will of the people and then ignore the people if they say they want another choice.

If the demand for a second referendum picks up enough steam then it must happen. I imagine the resistance to such a vote happening is mainly because the Brexit side knows they won't win again since they barely did so last time and then they admitted that everything they promised was bull****. The lies coupled with the reality we're faced with will likely see Brexit crushed in a second vote.

Either way, I'm not too fussed. If another vote doesn't go ahead then perhaps the grim prospect of a bad deal or no deal will teach people to be more prudent in how they vote in future.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think we have had quite enough of the toxic disgusting Westminster charades and would like top run out own affairs

LT for King of Scotland.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I honestly don't know, but I do know that there's an overwhelming feeling up here that the Scottish parliament is both friendlier and more caring, AND more professional than the nonsense in Westminster. And that doesn't just apply to the current government; it's true of all parties, even the Scottish Conservatives. It's just a much more modern, level-headed and respectful political environment and people are sick to the back teeth of the London pantomime.

I do have a bit of a morbid curiosity to see how it would all work out if you did vote out. I see people say Oh you couldn't survive without England etc but I don't see why that would be true, you're a similar size and population to us after all

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm of the mindset that people are getting what they have voted for and they have to deal with it but if there's enough calls for another referendum then the government must listen. You can't call Brexit the will of the people and then ignore the people if they say they want another choice.

If the demand for a second referendum picks up enough steam then it must happen. I imagine the resistance to such a vote happening is mainly because the Brexit side knows they won't win again since they barely did so last time and then they admitted that everything they promised was bull****. The lies coupled with the reality we're faced with will likely see Brexit crushed in a second vote.

Either way, I'm not too fussed. If another vote doesn't go ahead then perhaps the grim prospect of a bad deal or no deal will teach people to be more prudent in how they vote in future.

you seem to forget that the UK voted in Tony Blair who blatantly lied to the people and took the country into an illegal oil war that killed 100,000 people and he let in too many immigrants that was the fuel to the Brexit vote

So "people" dont get taught sh1t

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you seem to forget that the UK voted in Tony Blair who blatantly lied to the people and took the country into an illegal oil war that killed 100,000 people and he let in too many immigrants that was the fuel to the Brexit vote

So "people" dont get taught sh1t

So not sovereignty then? Orrrrrrr, to control our own destiny? Orrrrrrrrrrr, stop taking orders from Brussels? Or to invest in the NHS? Orrrrrrr...

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So not sovereignty then? Orrrrrrr, to control our own destiny? Orrrrrrrrrrr, stop taking orders from Brussels? Or to invest in the NHS? Orrrrrrr...

no

if all the debates were to be analysed uncontrolled immigration seemed to be deservedly the biggest issue