[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Don't fall for the BS, Nicky. Corbyn is the only politician that's talked about the needs of society as opposed to the needs of donors and friends.

this is untrue

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

SkyNews Reports so far she has 107 backing her

She needs 158 by this evening .

Does she have your backing Arista?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

this is untrue

It is untrue, Trumpet. But you know Corbyn supporters... they will back him and all his anti-Semitic cronies.

Thanks to Corbyn and his total inability to address the anti-Semitism in his own party, Jewish people are now, per head of capita, the most abused minority in the UK.

Oh [dear] Jeremy Corbyn.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

this is untrue

just had my political lesson from him, it seems conservatives wanted the brexit, not Corbyn or the entire left

so yeah for some reason if Corbyn was in power we would've never got this whole brexit mess in the first place

secondly what UK needs to do is working together with other european countries, think of the working class british people first, being inside the EU generates jobs for them, and also FDA and EMA leaving UK for Netherlands and Germany also is a sign that it goes very much the wrong way with this brexit


we dutch had our Nexit yes, but i believe now it was a wise decision from our people to vote Remain

[Scarlett.]

I mean, I despise May... but I think I despise the rest of the Tories even more.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

just had my political lesson from him, it seems conservatives wanted the brexit, not Corbyn or the entire left

so yeah for some reason if Corbyn was in power we would've never got this whole brexit mess in the first place

secondly what UK needs to do is working together with other european countries, think of the working class british people first, being inside the EU generates jobs for them, and also FDA and EMA leaving UK for Netherlands and Germany also is a sign that it goes very much the wrong way with this brexit


we dutch had our Nexit yes, but i believe now it was a wise decision from our people to vote Remain

UKIP wanted Brexit. The Tories used the whole referendum promise as a vote winner in the General Election. They had no idea people would vote to leave... Cameron was so sure we'd vote to stay that the minute the vote was in he walked away.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Dia.

I mean, I despise May... but I think I despise the rest of the Tories even more.

the way this brexit has gone (which was the idea of the Tories) it is now a perfect opportunity for Labour to become the better political party, try and redeem UK for the good


brexit should be demolished completely, no brexit is best option with then talks with some european countries to work closer together


that is the way things should go in the UK, no more brexit and go solve some of the UK's problems now, make life better again for the working class british people

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

the way this brexit has gone (which was the idea of the Tories) it is now a perfect opportunity for Labour to become the better political party, try and redeem UK for the good


brexit should be demolished completely, no brexit is best option with then talks with some european countries to work closer together


that is the way things should go in the UK, no more brexit and go solve some of the UK's problems now, make life better again for the working class british people

How about the majority who voted to leave? Don't they count? Is that democracy?

If Corbyn becomes PM, my Grandmother is already packed to leave. She's survived one anti-Semitic leader in her life, she has no wish to face another.

[The Slim Reaper]

Anti-semitism is unfortunately on the rise again, but it's not from the left unfortunately for those that wish to propagate this myth.

We've seen the far right in hungary and Austria growing in Europe, we've seen the American right shouting "jews will not replace us" as they march with tiki torches, but yeah, it's a problem for the left to worry about.

Cognitive dissonance is a real thing that people attached to the right are going to have to wrestle with in the coming years.

You can't have it both ways, we can't be social justice warrior snowflakes on one hand, then anti-semites on the other. Or is the claim that we are all these things, but exclude Jews?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

the way this brexit has gone (which was the idea of the Tories) it is now a perfect opportunity for Labour to become the better political party, try and redeem UK for the good


brexit should be demolished completely, no brexit is best option with then talks with some european countries to work closer together


that is the way things should go in the UK, no more brexit and go solve some of the UK's problems now, make life better again for the working class british people

I think above all, whoever is in power needs to push Brexit back and hold a People's Vote, with actual proper options and plans, unlike with the original vote. The People's Vote is the only way any party can escape the stalemate.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

so yeah for some reason if Corbyn was in power we would've never got this whole brexit mess in the first place

Jeremy Corbyn voted for Britain to leave the European Economic Community (EEC) in the 1975 European referendum.
Jeremy Corbyn opposed the creation of the European Union (EU) under the Maastricht Treaty – speaking and voting against it in Parliament in 1993. During the 2016 referendum campaign, Left Leave highlighted repeated speeches he made in Parliament opposing Europe during 1993.
Jeremy Corbyn voted against the Lisbon Treaty on more than one occasion in Parliament in 2008.
In 2010, Jeremy Corbyn voted against the creation of the European Union’s diplomatic service.
Jeremy Corbyn voted for a referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU in 2011 (breaking the Labour whip to do so).
In 2011 Jeremy Corbyn also opposed the creation of the EU’s European Stability Mechanism, which helps members of the Euro in financial difficulties. (This vote is a good example of how Corbyn votes with hardcore Euro-sceptics. Only 26 other MPs joined him in voting against, and in their number are the likes of right-wing Euro-sceptics such as Peter Bone, Douglas Carswell, Bill Cash, Ian Paisley Junior and John Redwood.)
Jeremy Corbyn opposed Britain’s participation in the EU’s Banking Authority in 2012.
In 2016 his long-time left-wing ally Tariq Ali said that he was sure that if Corbyn was not Labour leader he would be campaigning for Britain to leave the EU, whilst his brother Piers Corbyn also said that Jeremy Corbyn was privately opposed to Britain’s membership of the European Union.
Jeremy Corbyn went on holiday during the 2016 referendum campaign and his office staff consistently undermined the Remain campaign. He refused to attend a key Remain campaign launch and also attacked government ministers for publicising the Remain case, saying they should also have promoted arguments in favour of Leave vote. The Director of the Remain campaign, himself a Labour member and candidate, said, “Rather than making a clear and passionate Labour case for EU membership, Corbyn took a week’s holiday in the middle of the campaign and removed pro-EU lines from his speeches”. During the referendum campaign, Leave.EU highlighted Corbyn’s attacks on Europe made in 1996.
The day after the European referendum in 2016, Jeremy Corbyn called for the immediate invocation of Article 50 – the two-year notice to leave the EU – much quicker than even Theresa May wanted.
In December 2016, Jeremy Corbyn voted in Parliament in favour of the UK leaving the EU and for the process to start no later than 31 March 2017.
Jeremy Corbyn three times voted in February 2017 in favour of the Prime Minister starting the process of leaving the European Union.
During the 2017 general election, the independent Channel 4 Factcheck service found very little difference between Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May over Europe.
In the summer of 2017, Jeremy Corbyn opposed Britain remaining in the Single Market. He even sacked from his team Labour MPs who voted in favour of membership of the Single Market.

https://www.markpack.org.uk/153744/j...corbyn-brexit/

[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Anti-semitism is unfortunately on the rise again, but it's not from the left unfortunately for those that wish to propagate this myth.

We've seen the far right in hungary and Austria growing in Europe, we've seen the American right shouting "jews will not replace us" as they march with tiki torches, but yeah, it's a problem for the left to worry about.

Cognitive dissonance is a real thing that people attached to the right are going to have to wrestle with in the coming years.

You can't have it both ways, we can't be social justice warrior snowflakes on one hand, then anti-semites on the other. Or is the claim that we are all these things, but exclude Jews?

Yeah, yeah... We're not talking about the far right and we're not talking about Hungary. We're talking about the UK Labour party, led by a terrorist sympathiser who has allowed his party to drift more and more into anti-Semitism because he hates Israel.

If you can't see that there's a problem with anti-Semitism in the Labour party, then you're probably a member of the Labour party and are wearing the official party blinkers.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dia.

I think above all, whoever is in power needs to push Brexit back and hold a People's Vote, with actual proper options and plans, unlike with the original vote. The People's Vote is the only way any party can escape the stalemate.

And maybe at the second vote, all the people who couldn't be arsed to visit the polling station but have been outraged at the result, will this time cast a vote. You never know.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Jeremy Corbyn voted for Britain to leave the European Economic Community (EEC) in the 1975 European referendum.
Jeremy Corbyn opposed the creation of the European Union (EU) under the Maastricht Treaty – speaking and voting against it in Parliament in 1993. During the 2016 referendum campaign, Left Leave highlighted repeated speeches he made in Parliament opposing Europe during 1993.
Jeremy Corbyn voted against the Lisbon Treaty on more than one occasion in Parliament in 2008.
In 2010, Jeremy Corbyn voted against the creation of the European Union’s diplomatic service.
Jeremy Corbyn voted for a referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU in 2011 (breaking the Labour whip to do so).
In 2011 Jeremy Corbyn also opposed the creation of the EU’s European Stability Mechanism, which helps members of the Euro in financial difficulties. (This vote is a good example of how Corbyn votes with hardcore Euro-sceptics. Only 26 other MPs joined him in voting against, and in their number are the likes of right-wing Euro-sceptics such as Peter Bone, Douglas Carswell, Bill Cash, Ian Paisley Junior and John Redwood.)
Jeremy Corbyn opposed Britain’s participation in the EU’s Banking Authority in 2012.
In 2016 his long-time left-wing ally Tariq Ali said that he was sure that if Corbyn was not Labour leader he would be campaigning for Britain to leave the EU, whilst his brother Piers Corbyn also said that Jeremy Corbyn was privately opposed to Britain’s membership of the European Union.
Jeremy Corbyn went on holiday during the 2016 referendum campaign and his office staff consistently undermined the Remain campaign. He refused to attend a key Remain campaign launch and also attacked government ministers for publicising the Remain case, saying they should also have promoted arguments in favour of Leave vote. The Director of the Remain campaign, himself a Labour member and candidate, said, “Rather than making a clear and passionate Labour case for EU membership, Corbyn took a week’s holiday in the middle of the campaign and removed pro-EU lines from his speeches”. During the referendum campaign, Leave.EU highlighted Corbyn’s attacks on Europe made in 1996.
The day after the European referendum in 2016, Jeremy Corbyn called for the immediate invocation of Article 50 – the two-year notice to leave the EU – much quicker than even Theresa May wanted.
In December 2016, Jeremy Corbyn voted in Parliament in favour of the UK leaving the EU and for the process to start no later than 31 March 2017.
Jeremy Corbyn three times voted in February 2017 in favour of the Prime Minister starting the process of leaving the European Union.
During the 2017 general election, the independent Channel 4 Factcheck service found very little difference between Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May over Europe.
In the summer of 2017, Jeremy Corbyn opposed Britain remaining in the Single Market. He even sacked from his team Labour MPs who voted in favour of membership of the Single Market.

https://www.markpack.org.uk/153744/j...corbyn-brexit/

the many times you mentioned Corbyn's name in this one post, mess

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Livia

And maybe at the second vote, all the people who couldn't be arsed to visit the polling station but have been outraged at the result, will this time cast a vote. You never know.

Hopefully so, if we do get a People's Vote it could be the most important vote this generation, with the first vote people had the excuse of thinking it was a bit of a giggle, anyone who has lived through the past two years of absolute chaos will hopefully realise that voting this time is important.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Hopefully so, if we do get a People's Vote it could be the most important vote this generation, with the first vote people had the excuse of thinking it was a bit of a giggle, anyone who has lived through the past two years of absolute chaos will hopefully realise that voting this time is important.

Really? What happens if people vote to leave again? Are you just going to keep having referendums till you get something you agree with? That's not democracy, you know.

I don't know anyone who thought the last referendum was "a giggle". Most people I know thought long and hard about their vote.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Hopefully so, if we do get a People's Vote it could be the most important vote this generation, with the first vote people had the excuse of thinking it was a bit of a giggle, anyone who has lived through the past two years of absolute chaos will hopefully realise that voting this time is important.

definitely true, UK made an even bigger joke of themselves than they already are in the eyes of the rest of the world

nearly everyone is against the UK, with their views of them still believing to be a global power, an empire

working together with other european countries is the key to a better UK


and yes it would be the most important vote this generation for sure

[joeysteele]

This thread isn't actually about the Labour party or anti Semitism but some will use it to spout their hate against the left at any turn.

This thread is about a serving PM whose own MPs have forced her to face a no confidence vote.
Her own MPs, no one else.

I hope she loses and is gone.
For me anyone is better than her, she has further divided the Country, Parliament and even her own Party.

She answers next to nothing and it seems listens to hardly anyone.

She has handled the brexit process abominably.
From the start of her Premiership to now.
If she loses tonight, (sadly I don't think she will lose), I doubt anyone could do as frustratingly bad as she has.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This thread isn't actually about the Labour party or anti Semitism but some will use it to spout their hate against the left at any turn.

This thread is about a serving PM whose own MPs have forced her to face a no confidence vote.
Her own MPs, no one else.

I hope she loses and is gone.
For me anyone is better than her, she has further divided the Country, Parliament and even her own Party.

She answers next to nothing and it seems listens to hardly anyone.

She has handled the brexit process abominably.
From the start of her Premiership to now.
If she loses tonight, (sadly I don't think she will lose), I doubt anyone could do as frustratingly bad as she has.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Really? What happens if people vote to leave again? Are you just going to keep having referendums till you get something you agree with? That's not democracy, you know.

I don't know anyone who thought the last referendum was "a giggle". Most people I know thought long and hard about their vote.

If people vote leave a second time, fine, but if there is more options the government will have more of an idea of what kinda of Brexit the population wants, rather than guessing, and then they can work towards implementing that kind of Brexit. The kind of stuff that should have been done the first time around.

Also, there is the fact that Vote Leave subverted democracy by breaking electoral law. I don't see why the democracy arguement is brought up about the People's Vote, what is more democratic than asking the people to vote? Are people just afraid the result wont be to their liking?

It's pretty clear that the government and parliament as a whole is not getting anywhere, they've spent the last two years in stalemate, nothing real has been achieved. When parliament cannot come to a conclusion on an issue such as this putting a vote to the people is the only option.

Maybe if David Cameron hadn't done the vote on the basis of party politics and had actually thought through the consequences of his actions we wouldnt have been in this mess. If he'd have taken the time to outline what happens if the Leave won, instead of presuming Remain would win, we'd be in a much better place. Maybe if he hadn't quit when things didn't go his way, we'd have had a functioning government and a united Conservative Party, but we don't.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This thread isn't actually about the Labour party or anti Semitism but some will use it to spout their hate against the left at any turn.

This thread is about a serving PM whose own MPs have forced her to face a no confidence vote.
Her own MPs, no one else.

I hope she loses and is gone.
For me anyone is better than her, she has further divided the Country, Parliament and even her own Party.

She answers next to nothing and it seems listens to hardly anyone.

She has handled the brexit process abominably.
From the start of her Premiership to now.
If she loses tonight, (sadly I don't think she will lose), I doubt anyone could do as frustratingly bad as she has.

Back are you, joey?

Have the courage to quote me.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dia.

If people vote leave a second time, fine, but if there is more options the government will have more of an idea of what kinda of Brexit the population wants, rather than guessing, and then they can work towards implementing that kind of Brexit. The kind of stuff that should have been done the first time around.

Also, there is the fact that Vote Leave subverted democracy by breaking electoral law. I don't see why the democracy arguement is brought up about the People's Vote, what is more democratic than asking the people to vote? Are people just afraid the result wont be to their liking?

It's pretty clear that the government and parliament as a whole is not getting anywhere, they've spent the last two years in stalemate, nothing real has been achieved. When parliament cannot come to a conclusion on an issue such as this putting a vote to the people is the only option.

Maybe if David Cameron hadn't done the vote on the basis of party politics and had actually thought through the consequences of his actions we wouldnt have been in this mess. If he'd have taken the time to outline what happens if the Leave won, instead of presuming Remain would win, we'd be in a much better place. Maybe if he hadn't quit when things didn't go his way, we'd have had a functioning government and a united Conservative Party, but we don't.

They broke electoral law. Yeah, I hear that a lot from people who have no idea what electoral law is or how they broke it. There was a minor discrepancy in the reporting of donations. They didn't rig a ballot.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Back are you, joey?

Have the courage to quote me.

Ive never been away. Not that its anything to do with you.

I made a point re the thread but mainly stuck to the main issue of it actually.
I never said any members names or asked for anyone to identify themselves.
That you've chosen to possibly put your hand up is your affair,

[MTVN]

I don't see what the options could be for a second vote. It can't just be 'Leave' again because we're too far along in the process for that and there's different versions of Brexit. But you also can't have Remain vs Mays deal vs No deal vs Norway option etc. because none of those would get a majority and its not really fair to split the leave vote but not the remain vote. A second referendum would never settle the issue anyway, it would just lead to constant new calls for another vote

People say Vote Leave broke the law but remember that Remain had far more funding than Leave and had pretty much the whole weight of government behind it. Remain always had the much bigger advantage

[Smithy]

So the tories chose May in 2016 and now some have changed their mind and want to revote?

Seems like sound logic can it be implemented anywhere else?