[parmnion]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This thread isn't actually about the Labour party or anti Semitism but some will use it to spout their hate against the left at any turn.

This thread is about a serving PM whose own MPs have forced her to face a no confidence vote.
Her own MPs, no one else.

I hope she loses and is gone.
For me anyone is better than her, she has further divided the Country, Parliament and even her own Party.

She answers next to nothing and it seems listens to hardly anyone.

She has handled the brexit process abominably.
From the start of her Premiership to now.
If she loses tonight, (sadly I don't think she will lose), I doubt anyone could do as frustratingly bad as she has.

Poor woman might have split the country and her party, but the reason for that is the fact she is doing exactly what the country voted for.

[arista]

Reports (SkyNewsHD & BBCnewsHD)
she will have the 158 votes she needs
tonight.
Which means she will have a year
without this back stabbing.

We should find out after 7PM tonight.

[AnnieK]

Cameron is definitely the most to blame for this mess. Why she ever stepped up at that time is beyond me, it was a mess that was never going to end well.

[Rob!]

This is ****ing insane. And people actually support this joke of a government?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't see what the options could be for a second vote. It can't just be 'Leave' again because we're too far along in the process for that and there's different versions of Brexit. But you also can't have Remain vs Mays deal vs No deal vs Norway option etc. because none of those would get a majority and its not really fair to split the leave vote but not the remain vote. A second referendum would never settle the issue anyway, it would just lead to constant new calls for another vote

People say Vote Leave broke the law but remember that Remain had far more funding than Leave and had pretty much the whole weight of government behind it. Remain always had the much bigger advantage

I don't see what the first part of that sentence has to do with the rest of it. You can't say "Ahh well, we may have broken the law, but they had more cash, so we'll call it evens.."

It could also be argued that the main reasons for remaining are more geared up in policy and the long term effects on the economy, and by proxy, the people, whereas leave had the much easier and effective slogans or sound bites, such as Ł350m each week for the NHS, stop Brussels controlling our laws, and the additional xenophobic undertones to aspects of the campaign which automatically strike a chord with low-information voters and help to scare the old people that actually won the election.

I partly agree with the first paragraph in that it's difficult to actually run another remain/leave election. However, the fact that circumstances have changed, and many people realise now that they were hoodwinked by the leave campaign, suggests to me that in a healthy democracy, it's important to find a way to make these kind of things work.

It's easier to change course mid way, than it is to hit your destination and realise we don't want to be here.

[LeatherTrumpet]

urg after she survives she will be like a grey living corpse

[Kazanne]

Alan Sugar said if ever Corbyn was made PM he would leave this country,can't say I'de blame him

[parmnion]

She is a tough cookie is our there's a. .a few snotty men will not oust her this time.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I don't see what the first part of that sentence has to do with the rest of it. You can't say "Ahh well, we may have broken the law, but they had more cash, so we'll call it evens.."

It could also be argued that the main reasons for remaining are more geared up in policy and the long term effects on the economy, and by proxy, the people, whereas leave had the much easier and effective slogans or sound bites, such as Ł350m each week for the NHS, stop Brussels controlling our laws, and the additional xenophobic undertones to aspects of the campaign which automatically strike a chord with low-information voters and help to scare the old people that actually won the election.

I partly agree with the first paragraph in that it's difficult to actually run another remain/leave election. However, the fact that circumstances have changed, and many people realise now that they were hoodwinked by the leave campaign, suggests to me that in a healthy democracy, it's important to find a way to make these kind of things work.

It's easier to change course mid way, than it is to hit your destination and realise we don't want to be here.

Well my point is that people refer to Vote Leaves spending to suggest it gave them an unfair advantage or even that it invalidates the result but the fact is that it was never a level playing field and the Remain campaign had by far the bigger advantage. Vote Leave messed up and were rightly fined but it shouldn't distort the way we treat the referendum result

There's been no consistent evidence that many people have changed their mind or that people now favour a second referendum. My view is that Mays deal is the only thing we have which actually shows how Brexit could be achieved relatively smoothly and delivers on the result. All other alternatives, whether it be no deal, a second vote or remaining in the EU, do not offer long term certainty and would leave many more people embittered and angry than May's deal does

[LeatherTrumpet]

What does it say about membership if its this hard to leave?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What does it say about membership if its this hard to leave?

It's actually really easy to leave, it's difficult to have your cake, eat it, then leave.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What does it say about membership if its this hard to leave?

had uk never joined and always been out we'd have had to contribute to get access to eu markets and other juicy bits anyway
so now those expecting a clean break from the biggest trading bloc in the world on our doorstep are being disingenious, not to mention economic idiots letting some anti-eu sentiments cloud their judgement

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Alan Sugar said if ever Corbyn was made PM he would leave this country,can't say I'de blame him

Yeah, must be tough for the billionaire Lord. Ask the nursing professional using foodbanks this Christmas how this tory government is working out for them.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

urg after she survives she will be like a grey living corpse

well, Idk about her looks, LT, but politically winning no-confidence vote strenghtens her position within the party

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Yeah, must be tough for the billionaire Lord. Ask the nursing professional using foodbanks this Christmas how this tory government is working out for them.

I doubt his decision has anything at all to do with money.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I doubt his decision has anything at all to do with money.

Oh yeah, i forgot that Corbyn would make him wear a yellow magen David, and march him off to a death camp quicker than you could say "you're fired".

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Alan Sugar said if ever Corbyn was made PM he would leave this country,can't say I'de blame him

I read Paul Daniels saying he'd leave in the 90s if Labour got in.
However he didn't.

As for Alan Sugar, another one like our PM deluded with power.
He's so deluded he thinks he can fire someone before he even hires them.

It's a pity the sick and disabled don't have the means to leave this Country to avoid this government's sledgehammer taken to them.

I hope this PM loses tonight, I doubt she will but one thing she'll be certain of, there will be a growing number of her own MPs, plotting against her for another year.
Whether she comes through big or small.
If she then miraculously got this deal through Parliament too.
Then the DUP are likely to pull their support for her government as their issue is more with her than the Conservative party.

She will then hopefully be stuck between a rock and a hard place, deservedly so in my view.

[Withano]

Imagine in ten year time somebody will make a documentry about May and our kids will ask if she was on drugs or just pig-****-stupid. And we’ll all be like idfk as we wave burgundy passports and surplus cash with Corbyns face on in our perfect health

[Denver]

I dont know how anyone can think labour will do better when they are just as bad

[arista]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I dont know how anyone can think labour will do better when they are just as bad

Yes it seems that way
they are saying the Vote Result will be at 9PM


And BBC1HD has news special 7:30PM - 9PM tonight

[Denver]

The state of the politics from all parties is a worrying sign

We need someone with a backbone who isnt a **** to step up

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by arista

I don’t like Theresa May but I hope she wins this vote because I’d rather have her than some of these

The idea of Jacob Reese Mogg being Prime Minister *shudders*

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

had uk never joined and always been out we'd have had to contribute to get access to eu markets and other juicy bits anyway
so now those expecting a clean break from the biggest trading bloc in the world on our doorstep are being disingenious, not to mention economic idiots letting some anti-eu sentiments cloud their judgement

Who are you talking about?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The state of the politics from all parties is a worrying sign

We need someone with a backbone who isnt a **** to step up

Ruth and Nicola say hi

[arista]

[A total of 171 Tory MPs have publicly said they will continue
to back her as leader - but as the ballot is secret, they could vote differently behind closed doors.
The party has 317 seats, meaning the prime minister needs 159 votes to gain a majority.
MPs will vote between 6pm and 8pm tonight, and the result is expected to emerge at about 9pm.]


https://news.sky.com/story/mps-revea...se-pm-11578536