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13-12-2018, 11:04 AM | #151 | |||
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This time next year, we'll still be tied the EU and We'll be in a post democracy era. That change will come with catastrophic consequences. I wonder if that was the plan all along?
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13-12-2018, 11:09 AM | #152 | |||
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13-12-2018, 11:11 AM | #153 | ||
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I cannot see even the harder brexit MPs supporting an opposition no confidence motion. If the awful DUP were to indicate they'd support it or at least abstain. Then it would have a chance. The DUP won't bring this government down until possibly this deal gets passed. I wouldn't trust the DUP even then. It's sad for me a Party like the DUP now has so much influence and indeed the real power in the UK Parliament. |
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13-12-2018, 11:14 AM | #154 | ||
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13-12-2018, 12:03 PM | #155 | |||
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13-12-2018, 12:05 PM | #156 | |||
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I heard a stat today about the funding the North East gets from the EU can't remember the figure, an area that voted out by a mile, who will fill that funding when we are out, its like turkeys voting for Christmas
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13-12-2018, 12:24 PM | #157 | |||
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13-12-2018, 12:31 PM | #158 | |||
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13-12-2018, 12:36 PM | #159 | |||
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13-12-2018, 12:42 PM | #160 | |||
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I'm missing the link to conscription though.
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13-12-2018, 12:44 PM | #161 | |||
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13-12-2018, 12:50 PM | #162 | |||
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13-12-2018, 12:52 PM | #163 | |||
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Ahh, it's inevitable? Apologies, I didn't realise.
I'd suggest that maybe, and I know this is a stretch so go with it for a minute, there would be some kind of agreement between member states to provide numbers when needed/necessary. You do realise that we already have forces in different parts of the world? Our military doesn't go England - war - back to England. We already have a military that doesn't require conscription, so there is a working model available.
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13-12-2018, 01:02 PM | #164 | ||
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Verhofstadt is a federalist Doesn't mean anything. EU has always been a compromise between federalists and nationalists. It all depends. Some things are better addressed locally, some nationally and others internationally.
Of course politicians will wrestle over power, be it devolution or central government, central government or international body. The trick is to divide these things wisely. Best so that they keep each other in check bc you can't trust any of them. |
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13-12-2018, 01:12 PM | #165 | |||
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13-12-2018, 01:18 PM | #166 | |||
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As a matter of interest Alf what for you as a leaver do you see as a benefit because I am struggling and I try to be open minded about it
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13-12-2018, 01:23 PM | #167 | ||
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13-12-2018, 01:26 PM | #168 | |||
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The future is what we make it, but we need to make it on our own, because at the moment we're only as prosperous as the other 27 countries we"re shackled to. You"re only as strong as your weakest member. Last edited by Alf; 13-12-2018 at 01:34 PM. |
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13-12-2018, 01:34 PM | #169 | |||
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13-12-2018, 01:35 PM | #170 | |||
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13-12-2018, 01:42 PM | #171 | ||
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why do you say you're strong as the weakest member?
that's not true, there're richer and poorer countries |
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13-12-2018, 01:44 PM | #172 | |||
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I wouldn't like to hear anything, I just wanted your truth, which I have no doubt that you provided.
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13-12-2018, 01:45 PM | #173 | |||
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13-12-2018, 01:46 PM | #174 | ||
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you contribute to eu, yes, but you get preferential trade access etc which generates wealth
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13-12-2018, 01:57 PM | #175 | |||
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In my experience, people want to take my money off me, rather than give it to me. Last edited by Alf; 13-12-2018 at 01:57 PM. |
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