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Over 3 weeks of shutdown and absolutely no change to people's life's. It makes you wonder what all these government departments actually do.
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Over 3 weeks of shutdown and absolutely no change to people's life's. It makes you wonder what all these government departments actually do.
Apart from the people that aren't being paid, of course?
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Apart from the people that aren't being paid, of course?
You mean the ones whose jobs aren't needed, the ones who just made jobs for themselves? Don't worry, they'll get back pay.
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You mean the ones whose jobs aren't needed, the ones who just made jobs for themselves? Don't worry, they'll get back pay.
That's ok then. No doubt as government employees they're already on 200k/yr so missing payments won't be an issue for them.

Government contractors won't actually get any back pay because they're not permanently employed by anyone. Still, at least Trumps cabinet just got a 10% raise.

I didn't realise you were a multi-millionaire Alf who's never had to worry about anything financially related in his life.
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Over 3 weeks of shutdown and absolutely no change to people's life's. It makes you wonder what all these government departments actually do.
I didn't know you moved to America and can give us this first hand account. Or wait... it couldn't be you just repeating what the Republican news wants everyone to believe
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I didn't know you moved to America and can give us this first hand account. Or wait... it couldn't be you just repeating what the Republican news wants everyone to believe
I thought you was Canadian?

So what has changed for the American people during this shutdown?

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I thought you was Canadian?

So what has changed for the American people during this shutdown?
That's my point. You and I have no idea how its affecting the daily lives of people in the US. For you to make a blanket statement implying it has no impact would be like me saying "oh look the Brexit vote happened and nothing has changed" when clearly I'm not able to judge that
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You mean the ones whose jobs aren't needed, the ones who just made jobs for themselves? Don't worry, they'll get back pay.
like the airport security staff currently working with out pay or the park attendants .... or the coast guard ... told to hold garage sales to supplement their income .... or border security forces ... yes border security is currently not being paid ... all thanks to Mr Trump
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like the airport security staff currently working with out pay or the park attendants .... or the coast guard ... told to hold garage sales to supplement their income .... or border security forces ... yes border security is currently not being paid ... all thanks to Mr Trump
Well it:s not all down to Mr Trump is it? What about those Democrats who still haven't accepted him as their President and are taking their tantrum out on the American people?

'm fairly certain the Democrats have always called for a wall, but for some reason they want to block it whileTrump is in office. It's not business, it's personal.

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Well it:s not all down to Mr Trump is it? What about those Democrats who still haven't accepted him as their President and are taking their tantrum out on the American people?

'm fairly certain the Democrats have always called for a wall, but for some reason they want to block it whileTrump is in office. It's not business, it's personal.
Pretty much everything you've said there is wrong. Democrats, republicans, and the president agreed a deal before this started, then Trump was criticised by Anne Coulter and Sean Hannity so he threw a temper tantrum and reneged on the deal that was already agreed. The shutdown started when republicans held all 3 branches of government, but not even republicans would all vote for an ineffective and costly wall.

Democrats have never been the party of the wall, but some have agreed with it in certain difficult areas. Trump was provided funding for border security in the last budget that still sits untouched, and now because of right wing media he wants more.
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Well it:s not all down to Mr Trump is it? What about those Democrats who still haven't accepted him as their President and are taking their tantrum out on the American people?

'm fairly certain the Democrats have always called for a wall, but for some reason they want to block it whileTrump is in office. It's not business, it's personal.
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Do you think it's ok if a leader of a democracy suddenly calls for emergency powers because he doesn't get his own way after being told off by Anne coulter and sean hannity?

People wonder how the germans fell for Hitler, and here we have good dudes like you, saying nothing when he floats things like this. I'm not comparing trump to hitler before anyone starts crying.
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Alf, Pretty much everything you've said in this topic is just factually wrong.

The reason why nothing is changed when it comes to infrastructure is because people who work in vital services are now working without pay while others are on unpaid leave (People who sustain and look after the national parks etc). To make out that the people affected aren't important or even to demonise the unpaid workers by suggesting their 'making jobs for themselves' is a ****ing lie. I hate people spreading misinformation to further their cause and that's exactly what you are embracing. Falsities.

As for you blaming the Democrats. I don't care what your political leaning is, you can't look at this situation objectively with all the fact checking that's out there and say that this situation is anyone else's fault but Trump's. He himself said that he would shut down the government and he was proud to do it and that he would 'take the mantle' and that he wouldn't blame democrats.


(1.30 for him taking responsibility for any potential government shutdowns)

He can't keep his story straight and this shutdown is purely his fault. Blaming Democrats for not wanting to piss away $5bn on a vanity project is not reasonable or logical and holding 800,000 people's wages hostage to get his way is just pathetic and inexcusable. Why should the US throw that money away just to appease Trump when it's needed elsewhere? Why should the US people pay for a wall he promised that Mexico would pay for?

Objectively, he is in the wrong and defending him is just foolish. He's in the wrong and this situation is one of his own making. To deny that is to cover your eyes to the truth.
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Alf, Pretty much everything you've said in this topic is just factually wrong.

The reason why nothing is changed when it comes to infrastructure is because people who work in vital services are now working without pay while others are on unpaid leave (People who sustain and look after the national parks etc). To make out that the people affected aren't important or even to demonise the unpaid workers by suggesting their 'making jobs for themselves' is a ****ing lie. I hate people spreading misinformation to further their cause and that's exactly what you are embracing. Falsities.

As for you blaming the Democrats. I don't care what your political leaning is, you can't look at this situation objectively with all the fact checking that's out there and say that this situation is anyone else's fault but Trump's. He himself said that he would shut down the government and he was proud to do it and that he would 'take the mantle' and that he wouldn't blame democrats.


(1.30 for him taking responsibility for any potential government shutdowns)

He can't keep his story straight and this shutdown is purely his fault. Blaming Democrats for not wanting to piss away $5bn on a vanity project is not reasonable or logical and holding 800,000 people's wages hostage to get his way is just pathetic and inexcusable. Why should the US throw that money away just to appease Trump when it's needed elsewhere? Why should the US people pay for a wall he promised that Mexico would pay for?

Objectively, he is in the wrong and defending him is just foolish. He's in the wrong and this situation is one of his own making. To deny that is to cover your eyes to the truth.
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Alf, Pretty much everything you've said in this topic is just factually wrong.

The reason why nothing is changed when it comes to infrastructure is because people who work in vital services are now working without pay while others are on unpaid leave (People who sustain and look after the national parks etc). To make out that the people affected aren't important or even to demonise the unpaid workers by suggesting their 'making jobs for themselves' is a ****ing lie. I hate people spreading misinformation to further their cause and that's exactly what you are embracing. Falsities.

As for you blaming the Democrats. I don't care what your political leaning is, you can't look at this situation objectively with all the fact checking that's out there and say that this situation is anyone else's fault but Trump's. He himself said that he would shut down the government and he was proud to do it and that he would 'take the mantle' and that he wouldn't blame democrats.


(1.30 for him taking responsibility for any potential government shutdowns)

He can't keep his story straight and this shutdown is purely his fault. Blaming Democrats for not wanting to piss away $5bn on a vanity project is not reasonable or logical and holding 800,000 people's wages hostage to get his way is just pathetic and inexcusable. Why should the US throw that money away just to appease Trump when it's needed elsewhere? Why should the US people pay for a wall he promised that Mexico would pay for?

Objectively, he is in the wrong and defending him is just foolish. He's in the wrong and this situation is one of his own making. To deny that is to cover your eyes to the truth.


The man is a menace, and I normally tend to find that the leaders that try to shut themselves out from the rest of the world tend to end up being dictators or trying to create a dictatorship in this case as it's a very slippery slope for America to go down if Trump gets what he wants.
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https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/14235...7/?jwsource=cl

Video clip of Trump saying various times he would pay for the wall... he is a parody of a parody of himself at this point
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You mean the ones whose jobs aren't needed, the ones who just made jobs for themselves? Don't worry, they'll get back pay.
but what about the ones who are doing essential jobs who are working now for no pay, yes they will get back pay but that won't cut it when paying their food bill will it
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It's also not just about those not being paid. It has massive knock on effects. Things like food vouchers are no longer being issued to the most vulnerable. Americans rely on tax rebates that wont now be paid. Trump has manufactured this crisis and should be held accountable. for it.
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Plus you have important organisations like the FDA that are affected and not long after an E.Coli incident either.

I just can't get over it, making out that none of the jobs are important in order to lessen the outrageousness of it all to protect a manbaby who is responsible for all this **** in the first place because he is a compulsive liar that can't keep his story straight from one day to the next.

His fans need to open their eyes and accept that they are following a snake oil salesman that is willing to **** all over them to build his own 'legacy' but that won't happen because Trump's base are knowingly accepting his bull**** because he tells them what they want to hear.
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The man made a promise and should be applauded for his tenacity at delivering it not vilified
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Trump applauded lol LT that's a good joke, he won't be applauded by me

it's about time america goes looking for a new president i think
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The Dems are going about this the wrong way I think - there's little reason to oppose a border wall, but they can still use it as a "trump card" to push things through they want, to used it as a negotiating chip. But nope, they're just refusing to compromise.
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well why would you waste so much money on a silly not necessary wall, and if trump wants that wall why not pay for it himself, he got those billions he needs for this
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