[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Trump applauded lol LT that's a good joke, he won't be applauded by me

it's about time america goes looking for a new president i think

no they have the election process pretty nailed down now after 220 odd years

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

well why would you waste so much money on a silly not necessary wall, and if trump wants that wall why not pay for it himself, he got those billions he needs for this

But it's not silly or unnecessary, it's what the majority of Americans voted for in the last election.

Trumps a business man, he makes deals, the Democrats can get things they want if they just come to the table with Trump on this and if it all goes wrong, then they have a stick to beat Trump with. It's win win for them.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The man made a promise and should be applauded for his tenacity at delivering it not vilified

He's held all 3 branches of government for 2 years and done nothing about it, he still held all 3 branches of gov when the shutdown began, because even his own party ee what a waste of time, effort, and money it is.

If he wouldn't have focussed on his tax cut for the rich, he could have built his wall.

But then again you already knew that, so instead used your post to try and get a reaction instead of contributing.

Do you know how the wall became the issue it was? His own staffers fed it to him because he was too stupid to remember to talk about immigration, so they had to make it easier for him to bring up in easy terms that his mouth-breathing supporters would understand.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Alf

But it's not silly or unnecessary, it's what the majority of Americans voted for in the last election.

Trumps a business man, he makes deals, the Democrats can get things they want if they just come to the table with Trump on this and if it all goes wrong, then they have a stick to beat Trump with. It's win win for them.

Well that’s just not true, the majority of Americans voted for Hilary Clinton

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Well that’s just not true, the majority of Americans voted for Hilary Clinton

not that chestnut, really?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

But it's not silly or unnecessary, it's what the majority of Americans voted for in the last election.

Trumps a business man, he makes deals, the Democrats can get things they want if they just come to the table with Trump on this and if it all goes wrong, then they have a stick to beat Trump with. It's win win for them.

No they didn't, most Americans voted for the other candidate, and in the midterms, most people voted for the other party.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Well that’s just not true, the majority of Americans voted for Hilary Clinton

OK, the winning side voted for it.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Alf

OK, the winning side voted for it.

That’s the one

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

not that chestnut, really?

You mean the truth?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

You mean the truth?

if you wish to debate the American democratic voting method make a thread and make your point

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if you wish to debate the American democratic voting method make a thread and make your point

I don’t need to, I was correcting someone’s mistake, you can’t debate facts anyway.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I don’t need to, I was correcting someone’s mistake, you can’t debate facts anyway.

Even though I worded it incorrectly, you knew what I meant. You was just splitting hairs.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The Dems are going about this the wrong way I think - there's little reason to oppose a border wall, but they can still use it as a "trump card" to push things through they want, to used it as a negotiating chip. But nope, they're just refusing to compromise.

What a flawed way of looking at things and one that is for the purpose of laying blame at the dem's feet when it's the president, who has said himself, that the shutdown is something he would take responsibility for.

There is a big reason to oppose the wall, it costs 5 billion dollars and experts have said that it won't do anything to stem illegal immigration and in terms of drug smuggling, the vast majority are smuggled in through legal entry points. A wall won't do much to curb anything, it's an expensive waste of money.

Plus, giving into Trump's demands will just prove to him that he can shut down the government whenever he doesn't get his way. If this works out for him, he will do it again and again whenever he doesn't get his way.

This is not a situation in which you can objectively lay blame at anyone else's feet but Trump's. He is holding people's livelihoods hostage and the democrats can't give in because he WILL do it again. The only way to blame someone else is to twist the facts and spread falsities.

Trump is the problem here, he is responsible for this by his own admission. Taking personal feelings and allegiances out of the equation, this is a situation that Trump has created and sustained.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What a flawed way of looking at things and one that is for the purpose of laying blame at the dem's feet when it's the president, who has said himself, that the shutdown is something he would take responsibility for.

There is a big reason to oppose the wall, it costs 5 billion dollars and experts have said that it won't do anything to stem illegal immigration and in terms of drug smuggling, the vast majority are smuggled in through legal entry points. A wall won't do much to curb anything, it's an expensive waste of money.

Plus, giving into Trump's demands will just prove to him that he can shut down the government whenever he doesn't get his way. If this works out for him, he will do it again and again whenever he doesn't get his way.

This is not a situation in which you can objectively lay blame at anyone else's feet but Trump's. He is holding people's livelihoods hostage and the democrats can't give in because he WILL do it again. The only way to blame someone else is to twist the facts and spread falsities.

Trump is the problem here, he is responsible for this by his own admission. Taking personal feelings and allegiances out of the equation, this is a situation that Trump has created and sustained.

His voters want this delivering, isn't it his job to give the people what they want? How dare he fight for his voters?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

His voters want this delivering, isn't it his job to give the people what they want? How dare he fight for his voters?

Wrong, it's his job to serve the people of the United States, all of them regardless of how they voted. It's quite worrying you got such a basic fact so wrong. He should be fighting for his people and what they need, not what his extreme voters want.

I'm gonna ask you a question, Alf. What are the benefits of the wall? How would it's construction justify $5bn it costs? How does it serve the american people?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

His voters want this delivering, isn't it his job to give the people what they want? How dare he fight for his voters?

I do admire the way you speak with such certainty about subjects you get consistently wrong.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I do admire the way you speak with such certainty about subjects you get consistently wrong.

I think it's called "trolling".

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I think it's called "trolling".

For LT definitely, but for Alf, not so much.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Wrong, it's his job to serve the people of the United States, all of them regardless of how they voted. It's quite worrying you got such a basic fact so wrong. He should be fighting for his people and what they need, not what his extreme voters want.

I'm gonna ask you a question, Alf. What are the benefits of the wall? How would it's construction justify $5bn it costs? How does it serve the american people?

Well that's different then, Trumps voters are extreme, so they lose.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I do admire the way you speak with such certainty about subjects you get consistently wrong.

We can't all be as perfect as you.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I think it's called "trolling".

Don't give me away.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

We can't all be as perfect as you.

That's a fair point.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's a fair point.

Finally you come around to my way of thinking.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

Well that's different then, Trumps voters are extreme, so they lose.

That has zero relevancy to what I said or what I asked but okay? I don't really understand what you're getting at here.

[lime]

Originally Posted by Alf

His voters want this delivering, isn't it his job to give the people what they want? How dare he fight for his voters?

When you say "His voters" only 27% of americans voted for him when you take into account those who didn't turn up vote ..then shame on them
Is he ever going to realise he is POTUS or continue with the same thread of thought that he only likes thoose who like him


jeez talk about the Elite and draining the swamp...He is the elite!!!.Have to say as an Irish/South African and working nights..security here are watching the crime USA channel...every story is a brown /muslim problem.I talk about all the NCIS programes...No mention of their own crime.

Security here thrive on this