[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It will only become a "proper" issue when it upsets men of course

If females trans are demanding to go into male prisons etc, I am pretty sure it will be reported somewhere

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If females trans are demanding to go into male prisons etc, I am pretty sure it will be reported somewhere

I mean, the fact is especially when it comes to prisons, biological men are more dangerous to biological women than the other way round so i would imagine that's a big reason why pre op trans men would want to go to womens prisons over mens. However if it's true that biological men are more of a danger to biological women then putting pre op trans women (biological men) into womens prisons is basically saying we're putting trans womens safety over biological womens safety

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You can refuse to be seen by a male nurse and ask to be seen by female only if you want. There is no correlation between the elderly needlessly suffering and mixed wards, the former is down to staffing or careless staff who have no interest the latter is about treating trans people who have not yet gone through the reassignment process and where they should be put in hospitals, its interesting isn't it that this isn't an issue with females transitioning to male, no males wards are affected it would appear

When you are ill you may not have the strength or voice to ask for a female nurse.

What happens when you get a trans surgeon the only one available, do you say I would rather die than have a trans surgeon.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

When you are ill you may not have the strength or voice to ask for a female nurse.

What happens when you get a trans surgeon the only one available, do you say I would rather die than have a trans surgeon.

That is a ridiculous comparison, a surgeon can be male or female, and they are a fully vetted member of staff, the same as a male nurse If the trans person has undergone or is going through gender reassignment there is no issue, where the problem currently lies is you for instance could say tomorrow that you identify as a woman and you would then get a bed on a female ward, no ifs, no buts no maybes and if you were refused someone would probably lose their job due to perceived transphobia


Did you make a formal complaint about what you witnessed as you never did answer my question

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It will only become a "proper" issue when it upsets men of course

It does upset countless transphobic men. As always ‘trans rights’ isn’t a men vs women issue regardless of how tibb makes it seem to be. But this argument has been done to death and back! We might as well read old threads, nobody has changed their stance, discussing it is a waste of time.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Withano

It does upset countless transphobic men. As always ‘trans rights’ isn’t a men vs women issue regardless of how tibb makes it seem to be. But this argument has been done to death and back! We might as well read old threads, nobody has changed their stance, discussing it is a waste of time.

What a terrible negative attitude to have just because people disagree with you and ask you to explain your views?

[thesheriff443]

You could go the road of saying I’m a man and I’m not staying on a ward with a gay man
Or with a woman saying I’m not staying on a ward with a lesbian.

People carry on like being trans is a choice an easy option.

Give them a break live and let live.

Wen you are old and on your all female ward and you been laying your own p1ss for hours then you realise how silly the trans argument is.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You could go the road of saying I’m a man and I’m not staying on a ward with a gay man
Or with a woman saying I’m not staying on a ward with a lesbian.

People carry on like being trans is a choice an easy option.

Give them a break live and let live.

Wen you are old and on your all female ward and you been laying your own p1ss for hours then you realise how silly the trans argument is.

How is it silly to want to feel safe when you are at your most vulnerable.

I will ask you for a third time as you seem to have witnessed some terrible things during your hospital visits, did you fill in one of those...how did we do today cards, did you speak to the charge nurse, did you write to the Trust, what have you done to correct the wrongs you have witnessed?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Cherie

How is it silly to want to feel safe when you are at your most vulnerable.

I will ask you for a third time as you seem to have witnessed some terrible things during your hospital visits, did you fill in one of those...how did we do today cards, did you speak to the charge nurse, did you write to the Trust, what have you done to correct the wrongs you have witnessed?

I went and got a nurse from the nurse station, and told her what was happening with on of their patients.

No I didn’t write to anyone because all you get is we are looking into improvements but we are under staffed and under budget cuts.

You are more at risk of an infection due to poor hygiene than being harmed by a trans person.

[thesheriff443]

Any of us or our children could have been born trans or had the strength to come out as trans.

I’ve learned to be greatfull for who I am and have compassion for those who arrive suffering from something that is due to no fault of their own.

[Jessica.]

Why should men and women be separated in the first place?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

It does upset countless transphobic men. As always ‘trans rights’ isn’t a men vs women issue regardless of how tibb makes it seem to be. But this argument has been done to death and back! We might as well read old threads, nobody has changed their stance, discussing it is a waste of time.

Trans rights are conflicting with womens rights though in some cases, especially the self ID stuff, that's my only issue

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You could go the road of saying I’m a man and I’m not staying on a ward with a gay man
Or with a woman saying I’m not staying on a ward with a lesbian.

People carry on like being trans is a choice an easy option.

Give them a break live and let live.

Wen you are old and on your all female ward and you been laying your own p1ss for hours then you realise how silly the trans argument is.

I can't speak for everyone in this thread but it's not the average trans person that people are talking about, it's this new Self IDing, pre OP (or no intention of an OP) situation that most have the problem with. Where you can just decide "yeah I'm a woman now". Trans people have been around for a longtime and there was no issue, it's only become an issue because of self IDing.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can't speak for everyone in this thread but it's not the average trans person that people are talking about, it's this new Self IDing, pre OP (or no intention of an OP) situation that most have the problem with. Where you can just decide "yeah I'm a woman now". Trans people have been around for a longtime and there was no issue, it's only become an issue because of self IDing.

That is overlooked, not sure if it is on purpose or they clearly can't see the difference

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Any of us or our children could have been born trans or had the strength to come out as trans.

I’ve learned to be greatfull for who I am and have compassion for those who arrive suffering from something that is due to no fault of their own.

where do you stand on a male claiming they are now a womans seeking refuge in a woman hostel?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I went and got a nurse from the nurse station, and told her what was happening with on of their patients.

No I didn’t write to anyone because all you get is we are looking into improvements but we are under staffed and under budget cuts.

You are more at risk of an infection due to poor hygiene than being harmed by a trans person.

One of the patients, oh right I thought there was a whole tranche of people lying in their own piss

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can't speak for everyone in this thread but it's not the average trans person that people are talking about, it's this new Self IDing, pre OP (or no intention of an OP) situation that most have the problem with. Where you can just decide "yeah I'm a woman now". Trans people have been around for a longtime and there was no issue, it's only become an issue because of self IDing.

I do understand where you are coming from, but even if you just decide one day to be trans it’s not a golden ticket to wealth and happiness.

People do abuse the system, we all know that, but we must not let genuine people suffer abuse and discrimination.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Why should men and women be separated in the first place?

Honestly hospital wards wouldn't be such a big issue for me, there would be male visitors coming in and out all day anyway, I've been in short term wards (where you're released that day after a procedure/op). But I could see for elderly people who may be in there for longer periods why they'd rather not be in mixed words, for the sake of modesty. Changing rooms and prisons should not be mixed though imo

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

where do you stand on someone claiming they are now a womans seeking refuge in a woman hostel?

Womens hostels are categorised into areas like 16-25's, d&a dependency, domestic violence etc, I used to supply staff to these types of social housing, so your question is flawed. I'm not commenting on the debate, as I'm not 100% sure on my own opinions with this issue, but just adding a bit of info regarding this specific question.

[chuff me dizzy]

Its so wrong ,needs stopping NOW !!

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Cherie

One of the patients, oh right I thought there was a whole tranche of people lying in their own piss

Now you are just being petty, you yourself said you have seen someone ringing the buzzer and it taking 20 mins for someone to come.

I don’t work in a hospital but over time visiting friends and family you see things happening.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I do understand where you are coming from, but even if you just decide one day to be trans it’s not a golden ticket to wealth and happiness.

People do abuse the system, we all know that, but we must not let genuine people suffer abuse and discrimination.

But instead we put women at risk so genuine Self IDing trans people don't suffer? (mostly talking prisons etc here) It's saying that trans rights trump womens safety. Prisons and Changing rooms aren't seperated by gender, they're seperated by sex for fairly obvious reasons so if a trans person hasn't had the OP, for the safety of female inmates they shouldn't be put in womens prisons

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Cherie

where do you stand on a male claiming they are now a womans seeking refuge in a woman hostel?

It’s a nice try from you to muddy the water, common sense would say that it’s not essential for that person to stay in a woman’s hostel and appreciate accommodation and safe guards would be put in place

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But instead we put women at risk so genuine Self IDing trans people don't suffer? (mostly talking prisons etc here) It's saying that trans rights trump womens safety. Prisons and Changing rooms aren't seperated by gender, they're seperated by sex for fairly obvious reasons so if a trans person hasn't had the OP, for the safety of female inmates they shouldn't be put in womens prisons

The op is about trans on hospital wards prison is a different issue, pre op trans should not be put on women’s wings nor should they be put on men’s wings.

[Marsh.]

Anybody can be a danger to anyone. All this fear mongering about trans-patients is so backwards.