[Alf]

Everyone is talking about this new man hating Gillette advert.

Any opinions on here?

Have they just destroyed themselves by attacking their main customers?

Will they bring out an advert for their female products showing how horrible women are?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Youtube video

The aim of this is to get men and women to buy gillette products for men only, no other aim.

That is all. They take what is fashionable and use it to sell goods to young people. Their marketing research would have suggested that this will work and if it does - well done them.

Cynical and clinical. boom.

[Niamh.]

I don't see how it's man hating?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't see how it's man hating?

Its ok neem


Alf I think what Neem means is can you specify what aspect of the advert hates on men?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its ok neem


Alf I think what Neem means is can you specify what aspect of the advert hates on men?

There was some lovely men in the ad

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't see how it's man hating?

Within the first 5 seconds it says bullying, the me to movement, toxic masculinity. It goes on to show men harassing and mansplaining to women.

We're not all Harvey Weinstein.

Most men are brilliant people.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Within the first 5 seconds it says bullying, the me to movement, toxic masculinity. It goes on to show men harassing and mansplaining to women.

We're not all Harvey Weinstein.

Most men are brilliant people.

Yes there was lots in the advert too....

[Glenn.]

Don’t see the problem with the ad at all?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes there was lots in the advert too....

What would you think to advert selling ladies beauty products by mentioning women are the biggest murderers because of abortion? Would you be fine with that as long as it showed some good women too?

[Jordan.]

A great forward thinking advert, good job Gillette

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Don’t see the problem with the ad at all?

It's an attack on masculinity, I wouldn't expect you to see the problem. But for people who think masculity is important and has built the world we live in, then it's an attack on that.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Alf

What would you think to advert selling ladies beauty products by mentioning women are the biggest murderers because of abortion? Would you be fine with that as long as it showed some good women too?

Abortion isn't murder ... so I would think they got their facts really wrong.
But this ad didn't start with false facts

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't see how it's man hating?

I agree with this but;

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Cynical and clinical. boom.

I also agree with this .


I don't think it's man-hating, but I do think it's disingenuous, hollow, meaningless trash. Latching onto something as serious as abuse and sexual assault for no other reason than to sell their product... it's soulless. It would take a HELL of a lot to make me believe that Gilette actually gives a flying **** about anything more than their bottom line. That's just not how large companies work. They're about $Ł$, not people, full stop.

But then, I also feel utterly nauseated at every John Lewis bloody Christmas advert and most people seem to love them so... I guess the marketing works. Blergh.


(Also I assume Gilette are struggling at the moment because realistically who clean-shaves in 2019? ONLY sexual predators so they really are going to alienate their core market)

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Mokka

Abortion isn't murder ... so I would think they got their facts really wrong.
But this ad didn't start with false facts

Some people think it is.

I could say masculinity isn't toxic

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's an attack on masculinity, I wouldn't expect you to see the problem. But for people who think masculity is important and has built the world we live in, then it's an attack on that.

I didn't know it was forecast snow

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

What would you think to advert selling ladies beauty products by mentioning women are the biggest murderers because of abortion? Would you be fine with that as long as it showed some good women too?

Murder is illegal and abortion is not so that would be a falsity

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Alf

Some people think it is.

I could say masculinity isn't toxic

Some people think wrong. It's legal.. murder isn't.

They didn't say masculinity is toxic... they were talking about a type of masculinity called toxic masculinity.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree with this but;




I [b]also[/i] agree with this .


I don't think it's man-hating, but I do think it's disingenuous, hollow, meaningless trash. Latching onto something as serious as abuse and sexual assault and abuse for no other reason than to sell their product... it's soulless. It would take a HELL of a lot to make me believe that Gilette actually gives a flying **** about anything more than their bottom line. That's just not how large companies work. They're about $Ł$, not people, full stop.

But then, I also feel utterly nauseated at every John Lewis bloody Christmas advert and most people seem to love them so... I guess the marketing works. Blergh.


(Also I assume Gilette are struggling at the moment because realistically who clean-shaves in 2019? ONLY sexual predators so they really are going to alienate their core market)

Well yeah of course that's also correct

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Murder is illegal and abortion is not so that would be a falsity

Being masculing isn't illegal, doesn't stop people calling it toxic.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's an attack on masculinity, I wouldn't expect you to see the problem. But for people who think masculity is important and has built the world we live in, then it's an attack on that.

Why wouldn’t you expect me to see the problem? There isn’t one clearly. No one but you seems to see it?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Being masculing isn't illegal, doesn't stop people calling it toxic.

I think you're misunderstanding the term Toxic Masculinity Alf, maybe that's why you're feeling unnecessarily offended.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Why wouldn’t you expect me to see the problem? There isn’t one clearly. No one but you seems to see it?

They put the advert up on YouTube, it's had tens of thousands of dislikes and every comment negative to it, So there's more than me that sees it. so stop lying.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Alf

They put the advert up on YouTube, it's had tens of thousands of dislikes and every comment negative to it, So there's more than me that sees it. so stop lying.

You didn’t answer my question so maybe instead of insulting me we can reverse a bit

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think you're misunderstanding the term Toxic Masculinity Alf, maybe that's why you're feeling unnecessarily offended.

What's to understand? It's exactly what it says. Some people think masculinity is toxic, just as some people think abortion is murder. Now I ask you again, would you be happy with an advert bringing it up?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

What's to understand? It's exactly what it says. Some people think masculinity is toxic, just as some people think abortion is murder. Now I ask you again, would you be happy with an advert bringing it up?

So yes you misunderstand toxic masculinity. Mokka already explained up thread

I've already answered your question, do you want me to just repeat it again? I can if you like, here goes :

"Murder is illegal and abortion is not so that would be a falsity"