[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

There was a lot of confusion on that night..including the fire brigade believing the fire was out, waiting to long to evacuate the building..heck even some of the 999 calls were handled as far away as Newcastle. ..

Yes because the flats in those tower blocks are supposed to be independantly safe and the advice it to stay put, that is of course unless the cladding surrounding the whole building isn't flammable which nobody knew until it was too late!

The firefighters were working on the premise that the building was up to standard safety wise with clear stairwells, and sprinker systems, what do you say to the residents commitee who were fighting for years to get these safety systems in place? too bad the firefighters weren't up to it on the night?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

There was a lot of confusion on that night..including the fire brigade believing the fire was out, waiting to long to evacuate the building..heck even some of the 999 calls were handled as far away as Newcastle. ..

Of course there was confusion, it was a massive incident, probably one most of the fire service and other emergency staff will not have seen in their lifetimes. Evacuations and timing would have been very much based on them assuming that the building didn't have flammable cladding wrapped around it also.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes because the flats in those tower blocks are supposed to be independantly safe and the advice it to stay put, that is of course unless the cladding surrounding the whole building isn't flammable which nobody knew until it was too late!

The firefighters were working on the premise that the building was up to standard safety wise with clear stairwells, and sprinker systems, what do you say to the residents commitee who were fighting for years to get these safety systems in place? too bad the firefighters weren't up to it on the night?

One should ask oneself if the resident commitee had been fighting to get these safety measures in place then why didn't the fire brigade know that the safety measure went in place.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

One should ask oneself if the resident commitee had been fighting to get these safety measures in place then why didn't the fire brigade know that the safety measure went in place.

Nobody knew the cladding was flammable apart from the person who signed off on it. I believe they were aware of the sprinkler system not being in operation but on the night are you really going to refer to your notes about a particular building? The cladding is the reason it went up like it did

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nobody knew the cladding was flammable apart from the person who signed off on it. I believe they were aware of the sprinkler system not being in operation but on the night are you really going to refer to your notes about a particular building? The cladding is the reason it went up like it did

Checking notes is precisely what I would expect the chief fire officer to be doing.

[Toy Soldier]

I honestly think you're barking up the wrong tree here Parm... Getting mad because everything wasn't handled 100% perfectly in an emergency situation is pointless, because there's no such thing as perfect in an emergency situation. It was a few hours of chaos. Whereas the problems that caused it, and turned a simple kitchen fire into an entire multistorey building going up in flames, were YEARS in the making and there were countless opportunities to fix those issues. The only reason they weren't fixed is money. Pure and simple.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I honestly think you're barking up the wrong tree here Parm... Getting mad because everything wasn't handled 100% perfectly in an emergency situation is pointless, because there's no such thing as perfect in an emergency situation. It was a few hours of chaos. Whereas the problems that caused it, and turned a simple kitchen fire into an entire multistorey building going up in flames, were YEARS in the making and there were countless opportunities to fix those issues. The only reason they weren't fixed is money. Pure and simple.

We will see what the programme comes up with, I am hoping my suspicions are unfounded I must admit

[Underscore]

I can't believe anybody could even think this.

Shameful

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Underscore

I can't believe anybody could even think this.

Shameful

I would hope that people think this after every fire to be honest, surely it's the only way to learn from mistakes or to better procedures?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

We will see what the programme comes up with, I am hoping my suspicions are unfounded I must admit

depends how impartial the documentary is.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

depends how impartial the documentary is.

It's on c4 so we can be slightly more optimistic than we would be if it were on BBC.

[GoldHeart]

Yeah let's all blame the hardworking firefighters who risked their lives . They did all they could, the fire spread so quickly.
Oh and Let's ignore the dangerous cladding and terrible building structure