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12-02-2019, 10:01 PM | #1 | |||
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...ys-father.html
I don't get this need for documentation to define who you are...Can't people just live at home calling eachother what you know them as. |
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12-02-2019, 10:05 PM | #2 | |||
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Would it kill you to post the article instead of the link
But anyway, another day, another Daily Mail article about a trans person sure to rile up the right wing snowflakes
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12-02-2019, 10:31 PM | #3 | |||
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It was just reported on the BBC news, this article was the latest I could find about the case after searching.
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12-02-2019, 10:51 PM | #4 | ||
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12-02-2019, 10:53 PM | #5 | ||
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We're gonna need a transgender subforum soon.
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13-02-2019, 07:56 AM | #6 | ||
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13-02-2019, 09:05 AM | #7 | |||
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13-02-2019, 09:26 AM | #8 | |||
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A transgender man whose baby is at the centre of an historic human rights battle cannot yet get child benefit, a High Court judge has been told.
The baby could become the first person born in England or Wales who will not legally have a mother due to a dispute about the infant's birth certificate. Lawyers say the baby is the child of a single parent who was born a woman but now lives as a man after undergoing surgery. ADVERTISING They have told judges that he had been biologically able to get pregnant and give birth but had legally become a man when the child was born. He wants to be identified as the child’s 'father' or 'parent' on a birth certificate but a registrar told him the law requires people who give birth to be registered as mothers. The man has taken legal action after complaining of discrimination. He says forcing him to register as the child’s 'mother' breaches his human right to respect for privacy and family life. Because of the delay in the completion of the birth certificate, he has been left unable to claim child benefit. The case has been analysed at hearings in the Family Division of the High Court in London and lawyers representing the man are lined up against lawyers representing the Registrar General for England and Wales and Government ministers. A trial might not take place until next year. Mr Justice Holman was given updates on developments on Tuesday, when he oversaw the latest hearing Lawyers said the baby had been given a passport because British citizenship had been established. The law seems clear enough as it stands, it would require a change in the law to cover this meanwhile the child benefit which is the key issue here I feel will remain unpaid...oh well
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13-02-2019, 09:27 AM | #9 | |||
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and in answer to Parms question I don't know, this seems to be a case of the father putting himself before the child
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13-02-2019, 09:39 AM | #10 | |||
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The baby has a passport? How'd the baby get passport without a birth certificate? |
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13-02-2019, 10:27 AM | #11 | ||
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I mean i’m all for transexuals having their rights but there’s some things you can’t fight.
Biological fact is one of them. Can’t they just put the parents old name as ‘biological mother’ then the new name as ‘father’ or ‘parent’ or whatever they want? The birth certificate would have to recognise the birth mother.Covering up the truth can’t really be an option on documents? |
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13-02-2019, 10:34 AM | #12 | ||
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To be fair, this would be pretty easily solved by changing the fields to "Biological Parent 1" and "Biological Parent 2".
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13-02-2019, 10:40 AM | #13 | |||
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Whatever he is now, he was a mother when he gave birth. |
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13-02-2019, 10:48 AM | #14 | ||
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‘Hey there timmy who’s picking you up after school?Will it be your biological parent 1 or biological parent 2?’
Who gets to decide who’s number 1 and who’s number 2? Imagine the arguments. |
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13-02-2019, 10:59 AM | #15 | ||
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I can't say it's something I'm all that fussed baout really but then I guess that's kind of my point. I don't know why people would have any sentimental attachment to the terms used on an official government document to the extent of being bothered if they get changed... and whether we like it or not, the issue of gender is becoming more complicated and documentation is going to have to adapt to the... nuances... or it'll end up even more complicated (with people being defiant and filling them in inaccurately). So long as the certificate makes it clear "whose egg it was" and "whose sperm the egg was covered in", that's all that's really needed for accurate historical records, and what each parent chooses to refer to themselves as is less relevant. |
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13-02-2019, 11:02 AM | #16 | ||
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Half the stuff on them is so inaccurate anyway, I'm listed as a "Chef" on my eldest daughter's birth certificate because my most recent employment was flame grilling burgers and chicken, deep frying chips and microwaving frozen curries in a student bar. Chef
My wife's dad is listed as some totally random part-time thing too... he's been in IT for over 20 years . Last edited by Toy Soldier; 13-02-2019 at 11:03 AM. |
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13-02-2019, 11:05 AM | #17 | |||
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13-02-2019, 11:09 AM | #18 | ||
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New laws are being made all the time, laws need to be amended from time to time don’t see the problem to be honest.
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13-02-2019, 11:11 AM | #19 | ||
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It's junk data basically, they might as well remove the field entirely. |
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13-02-2019, 11:18 AM | #20 | |||
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13-02-2019, 11:22 AM | #21 | |||
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13-02-2019, 11:28 AM | #22 | |||
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13-02-2019, 11:29 AM | #23 | |||
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Its not all junk though particularly in view of immigration, people can get dual nationality based on their grandparents nationality?
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13-02-2019, 11:47 AM | #24 | |||
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No I don't think it is Junk, I was just asking TS why if "it's all junk" it such a big deal to get parental status changed. its a historical document I don't think it's junk at all. Yes he may not be a chef right now but at that time in his life he was (of sorts )
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13-02-2019, 11:54 AM | #25 | |||
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