[Glenn.]

Still think he’s innocent

[Cal.]

Guilty

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Still think he’s innocent

Well you weren't really reading (if you even did read it) with an open mind were you? I don't know why people are so eager for him to be innocent anyway, he's a disgusting man regardless of whether he did this or not (he did)

And yes after watching Series 1 I was convinced he was innocent too

[Marsh.]

Glenn you're being silly. Don't be silly.

[Glenn.]

After watching series 2 I’m even more convinced he’s innocent.

The blood found in her car was literally planted in the car. Blood splatter experts confirmed.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

After watching series 2 I’m even more convinced he’s innocent.

The blood found in her car was literally planted in the car. Blood splatter experts confirmed.

You realise you can get blood splatter experts to confirm anything you want, don't you? Have you watched The Staircase?

[Marsh.]

Not Niamh dragging Duane Deaver into it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not Niamh dragging Duane Deaver into it.

[Glenn.]

My mind shan’t be changed on this.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

My mind shan’t be changed on this.

And neither will a court of laws hopefully

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Have you watched The Staircase?

Yes every morning just after I walked down in

[The Slim Reaper]

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Great News

Kathleen will DESTROY the attempted prosecution case, the amount of evidence tampering and rules which they broke was insane

What an amazing woman Kathleen is !! Ive never seen such a set up in my life, the rot starts at the top with the Sheriff and judge then trickles through the rest of the police force

[Cal.]

I hope he never gets out just for the sake of the cat he chucked on the fire

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why would her brother want to kill her? Makes zero sense and also, I found how netflix tried to point blame at the victims family was disgusting. I think we all forgot who the actual victim was in that story through the documentary and it wasn't the cat torturing, woman assaulter ..........

Did you know that Teresa specifically told her boss that Steve creeped her out and she didn't want to go to do his cars anymore, he gave a fake name that last time, he then phoned her 3 times that day hiding his number and once after she'd disappeared when he didn't hide his number

Did you know Theresa advertised to take porn photos of couples ? and did you once see her Mother shed a tear ? no my money is firmly on Mike and Ryan

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Smithy

In S2 they don’t point at the victims family, they point to another member of Stevens, they also imply the boyfriend was aware of the framing as he had her diary which was in her car the day she went missing

And the ex also got into her phone and other online records,. what was he removing ?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The most baffling and frustrating documentary I've seen.

Do you believe he killed his wife?

I went back and forth. A lot.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The most baffling and frustrating documentary I've seen.

Do you believe he killed his wife?

I went back and forth. A lot.

Well, while watching it I was still kind of smarting from feeling duped in the Avery case, so I kind of went in with a bit of a biased view thinking they're going to try to convince me he didn't do it and he probably did, so I decided to watch it, then look up what they left out etc and I really don't think he did do it. There's a bizarre theory involving an owl that weirdly sounds like it could be an answer to what happened

[LeatherTrumpet]

Well I hope this innocent man finally is freed

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Did you know Theresa advertised to take porn photos of couples ? and did you once see her Mother shed a tear ? no my money is firmly on Mike and Ryan

So what if she did, does that make her less of a murder victim? And her mother didn't cry, so you think she had something to do with it or? I don't get the relevance there at all

I mean Chuff, they have so much physical evidence against Steve..an actual guy with documented violent tendencies, they have Teresa telling her boss that Steve scared her last time she went there, they have her bodies remains having been burned with Steve's tools and found in a pit outside his trailer so basically, someone either burned them there without Steve or anyone else noticing or burned them off site but would have had to steal Steve's tools first then burn the body and those together, then plant them in front of his trailer. They have DNA on both his gun (which killed Teresa) and on the shell casings so the "real" killer would have had to steal that, shoot her, plant his DNA on them and then return them..............all without Steve noticing.

And to add, if it were her brother and ex (why though?) how would they have gotten the DNA to plant, unless you're honestly suggesting that they conspired with the police to both kill Teresa and then frame Steve? I mean framing someone is one thing but are you saying that they were happy to agree to the actual murdering of an innocent woman just so they could frame Steve Avery? I mean come oooonnnn

[Niamh.]

Also Marsh, that was the original kind of crime documentary that Netflix made (The Staircase that is) so the objectives seemed to be different. It was basically a documentary following the justice system and how it works rather than trying to convince you either way of whether he was guilty or innocent

[Glenn.]

The blood the police had on file for Steve had been tampered with

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The blood the police had on file for Steve had been tampered with

Are you talking about the hole in the top?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So what if she did, does that make her less of a murder victim? And her mother didn't cry, so you think she had something to do with it or? I don't get the relevance there at all

I mean Chuff, they have so much physical evidence against Steve..an actual guy with documented violent tendencies, they have Teresa telling her boss that Steve scared her last time she went there, they have her bodies remains having been burned with Steve's tools and found in a pit outside his trailer so basically, someone either burned them there without Steve or anyone else noticing or burned them off site but would have had to steal Steve's tools first then burn the body and those together, then plant them in front of his trailer. They have DNA on both his gun (which killed Teresa) and on the shell casings so the "real" killer would have had to steal that, shoot her, plant his DNA on them and then return them..............all without Steve noticing.

And to add, if it were her brother and ex (why though?) how would they have gotten the DNA to plant, unless you're honestly suggesting that they conspired with the police to both kill Teresa and then frame Steve? I mean framing someone is one thing but are you saying that they were happy to agree to the actual murdering of an innocent woman just so they could frame Steve Avery? I mean come oooonnnn

Wait and see and if Im proved right I will remind you why did Scott only give Theresa's Aunty a camera ? why did the Aunty go after all the other searchers had gone ? why did Ryan give her the direct line to police ?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Are you talking about the hole in the top?

The general packaging also