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Old 03-03-2019, 12:45 PM   #1
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Michael Jackson's music has been banned from BBC Radio 2 after a documentary exposing his alleged sex crimes is about to air.
According to The Sunday Times the decision was made last week ahead of Channel 4 screening Leaving Neverland, a four hour two part documentary featuring alleged victims James Safechuck and Wade Robson.
A BBC spokesman told the publication: "We consider each piece of music on its merits and decisions on what we play on different networks are always made with relevant audiences and context in mind."
Safechuck, 40, appeared on the BBC's Victoria Derbyshire Show alongside fellow Jackson accuser Wade and Leaving Neverland director Dan Reed.

Both Safechuck and Robson, 36, tell their stories in the controversial film about the King Of Pop, and they relived their torment on today's show.
Safechuck fought back tears as he claimed Jackson manipulated him when he was a little boy.

When asked about the details of the abuse he claims to have suffered, Safehuck replied: "He taught me to masturbate, like it was this amazing new thing that's going to change your life.
"And French-kissing, he said I taught him how to do that. He also loved having his nipples rubbed."
Robson went on to allege Jackson "tried to penetrate me anally" when he was 14.
Safechuck also said the singer groomed not only him but his family and the wider public.

He said: "There's a long grooming process for Michael. He inserts himself into your family and becomes part of of your family.
"He grooms the children and grooms the parents as well.
"It's a meticulous build-up for him to be able to do that and it takes him a while to build the trust. It doesn't happen overnight.
Robson added: "Most of the time it's not the scary guy in the van in the alleyway.
"Of course, that happens sometimes but I think it is the minority of cases.
"Most of the time it's the coach, the uncle, the teacher, the stepfather, the father, the mother, whatever.

"Somebody who is absolutely trusted, who has gained the trust of the child first and foremost, then the whole family. This was the case.
"Michael made sure from day one that he had a really special relationship with me, and that he had a really special separate relationship with my mother and with my sister and then my father.
"Right from day one, in an unnoticeable way, he started drawing this wedge between myself and my father, my mother and my father.
"He was just a master manipulator."
Leaving Neverland contains explosive allegations of child abuse against the King Of Pop, who died in 2009, and has sparked outraged among some of Jackson's most ardent fans.
Looks like they're starting with the Pedo in the Mirror.
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Is R Kelly banned too?
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Looks like they're starting with the Pedo in the Mirror.
Well that's radio 2 off my playlist.I will still listen to him afterall it's just hearsay with no proof.Shame they don't ban their license that is a crime against us all.
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Thank God for that, can't stand his music

Also obviously a paedo
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Nope, I heard Ignition in the car the other day
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I find it weird how the victims are like “he groomed the whole world” seems like a bit of a Sensationalist thing to say about someone who molested you
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Its a hard one as some of MJ's music produced by Quincy Jones
is Quality music with even Eddie Van Halen
on a Guitar solo.
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I find it weird how the victims are like “he groomed the whole world” seems like a bit of a Sensationalist thing to say about someone who molested you
These are the same 'victims' that stood up for him in court testifying he had not touched them,and out they come years after his death and say the opposite, sorry I don't believe a word of it.There has been a witch hunt against him for years and seems there still is.
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His music did nothing wrong.
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i think plenty people want to make money out of him and aren't trustworthy. However Jackson was seriously dodgy, that just cant be denied.
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i think plenty people want to make money out of him and aren't trustworthy. However Jackson was seriously dodgy, that just cant be denied.
I agree ,he was a strange person in some ways , he was very childlike himself . but that doesn't prove he was a peado , just that he was very eccentric and different , amazing talent that some people seem to have always wanted to destroy . Very unfair now that he is dead aswell .
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i think plenty people want to make money out of him and aren't trustworthy. However Jackson was seriously dodgy, that just cant be denied.
He certainly seemed to have an odd relationship with children that's for sure
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I find it strange that the family of one of the alleged victims accepted £15million and signed a non-disclosure agreement. So I hope the Jackson family will be seeking reimbursement because all I've heard so far against Jackson is hearsay, uncorroborated claims and that he paid people not to go to the press. That doesn't make him guilty. He was odd, I think everyone can agree with that... but I still don't believe there was any abuse, and until I see hard evidence I'm keeping off bandwagon. I remember the furore when Cliff Richard was arrested, at least he was able to provide evidence against the claims. But why, like in this case, wait till people are dead?

As for the BBC, I remember the appalling coverage of Cliff Richard's investigation that the BBC thought was acceptable... and it cost them several million. It was a knee jerk reaction from the BBC because it had allowed Saville to prey on kids for decades. Now they're playing it safe.
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I'm unsure what to think of it all tbh.

I believe victims should always be heard but I can't deny that the story of these alleged victims is made dubious by the fact that they previously stood up for him, not as children who could have still been under his sway had they been groomed. but as adults who would have carried that pain around and would have been put under a microscope for coming to MJ's defense.

It's a difficult one, I hope that these guys can find peace somehow in case their story is true because I don't think they'll ever get true justice simply because they've given people reason to doubt them.
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He wasn't convicted though, I think it's a bit much to stop playing his music.
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Horrible man...feal sorry for him if the stories about him being buggered as a child are true..but to then go onto gods knows what as an adult just makes me hate him for the sick pedo he is...one of the worst kind cause he knows the pain.
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I find it strange that the family of one of the alleged victims accepted £15million and signed a non-disclosure agreement. So I hope the Jackson family will be seeking reimbursement because all I've heard so far against Jackson is hearsay, uncorroborated claims and that he paid people not to go to the press. That doesn't make him guilty. He was odd, I think everyone can agree with that... but I still don't believe there was any abuse, and until I see hard evidence I'm keeping off bandwagon. I remember the furore when Cliff Richard was arrested, at least he was able to provide evidence against the claims. But why, like in this case, wait till people are dead?

As for the BBC, I remember the appalling coverage of Cliff Richard's investigation that the BBC thought was acceptable... and it cost them several million. It was a knee jerk reaction from the BBC because it had allowed Saville to prey on kids for decades. Now they're playing it safe.
100% Livia you put it so much better than I , the press /media have always had it in for Jackson simply because he was different but most of the odd things were explained others simply exaggerated ,but some people seem to have had a deep hatred for him and relish in anything that outs him in a bad light,so this must be nectar to them, So many things don't add up, he was also found not guilty which people seem to overlook a lot, The guy is dead,let him rest in peace.
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Well that's radio 2 off my playlist.I will still listen to him afterall it's just hearsay with no proof.Shame they don't ban their license that is a crime against us all.
I agree on your points there.

Don't get me started on the licence fee however, that's been my one big hate since I realised one was needed.
Scrap that thing and get rid of the truly awful TV licensing company.
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I find it strange that the family of one of the alleged victims accepted £15million and signed a non-disclosure agreement. So I hope the Jackson family will be seeking reimbursement because all I've heard so far against Jackson is hearsay, uncorroborated claims and that he paid people not to go to the press. That doesn't make him guilty. He was odd, I think everyone can agree with that... but I still don't believe there was any abuse, and until I see hard evidence I'm keeping off bandwagon. I remember the furore when Cliff Richard was arrested, at least he was able to provide evidence against the claims. But why, like in this case, wait till people are dead?

As for the BBC, I remember the appalling coverage of Cliff Richard's investigation that the BBC thought was acceptable... and it cost them several million. It was a knee jerk reaction from the BBC because it had allowed Saville to prey on kids for decades. Now they're playing it safe.
Brilliant post Livia.
Post of this thread for me.
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I find it strange that the family of one of the alleged victims accepted £15million and signed a non-disclosure agreement. So I hope the Jackson family will be seeking reimbursement because all I've heard so far against Jackson is hearsay, uncorroborated claims and that he paid people not to go to the press. That doesn't make him guilty. He was odd, I think everyone can agree with that... but I still don't believe there was any abuse, and until I see hard evidence I'm keeping off bandwagon. I remember the furore when Cliff Richard was arrested, at least he was able to provide evidence against the claims. But why, like in this case, wait till people are dead?

As for the BBC, I remember the appalling coverage of Cliff Richard's investigation that the BBC thought was acceptable... and it cost them several million. It was a knee jerk reaction from the BBC because it had allowed Saville to prey on kids for decades. Now they're playing it safe.
Brilliant post

Shame the BBC never learned from the Saville or Cliff cases.

I 100% believe Michael was just a lost soul and surrounded himself with kids because he related to them because he was never allowed a childhood and was deeply unhappy so just wanted to see other children happy.
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I always wanted to believe Whacko was innocent.
I spent alot of my childhood listening to his tunes.My first ever cassette was ‘Bad’ when it had just released.
It was a big disappointment when the allegations came out.

I suppose nobody can ever know the truth now he’s gone.
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I believe he was an absolute nonce (and the “he didn’t have a childhood” excuse is bogus) but that’s not going to stop me listening to his music. He was a great artist.
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I just dont know what the point of any of it is now
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I'm kinda surprised at the support for him tbh: combine everything - all the things he definitely said and did, all the reports of people about what they saw and all the testimonies of those who were abused - and it's obvious that the most likely conclusion is that he did abuse young boys
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