[Nancy.]

"I do the projects that I like and the projects that for some reason turn me on".

So Dan Reed's documentaries on Peodophilia turned him on?

09:40

Youtube video

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Have you seen this, Goldheart?

Youtube video

Here's more from the person who made that video...

"In response to the more frequent disagreements in the comment section here.

... Yes, a lot of documentaries have interviews that are filmed with multiple takes and very brief shots of the interviewees ... and it's arguably a deception in those films too - it makes the interviewees seem less credible. However, most documentaries actually involve evidence as well as interviews. In a case like this, where the "victims" already lack credibility on account of their own previous court testimonies and TV interviews, it was essential to get interview footage that was as honest and raw as possible. Multiple takes with selective editing was a very poor choice. It has resulted in the interviews having a scripted and acted appearance.

A few people saying that the director has already stated that the interviews were filmed over 2 or 3 days ... good. And I'm glad to bring more attention to that particular aspect of the production as a lot of people would miss the implication of multiple takes - the effort to try and get a strong acting performance that's actually dishonestly spliced together to appear like a natural flow of dialogue.

Regarding the people going on about the body language stuff, I did say in the video I'll be making a separate video on that so please feel free to respond that video when I post it.

Regarding the people asking if I've met any sexual abuse survivors, yes I have. I worked 17 years in the social care field and interacted with thousands of people in that line of work ... probation, homeless, learning difficulties, mental health, and yes ... I met and interacted with dozens of pedophiles and sex abuse victims so I have a personal experience take on both the victims and their abusers.

Regarding the folks who think that Jackson sleeping in the same bedroom as child visitors amounts to proof of sexual abuse. That's witch-hunt logic. A lot of people, adults and kids, sleep in the same bed or bedroom under various circumstances and it's not a foregone conclusion that sexual interaction has occurred. Yes, it does cast suspicion on Jackson and without that particular facet of his life there would be very little grounds for suspicion, but sexual intent is not the only possible motive. Jackson clearly had a child-like mentality in a lot of ways so it is perfectly logical that he enjoyed sleep overs with visitors to compensate for his loneliness and lack of family at the time. Yes, there is a possibility of sexual molestation, but possibility doesn't equal proof. And you need proof to convict in a court of law unless you believe in witch hunts.

Regarding the folks who say that there have been tons of accusers ... there have been a handful and it all kicked off with the discredited Jordy Chandler case. As Razorfist has aptly pointed out,Jackson made the mistake of settling the civil case out of court (without admission) so that he could defend the criminal case (the one that could actually lead to jail time). He defended and was acquitted on all charges, but the pay out given on the civil case gave the green light for other snakes in the grass to come out seeking multi-million payouts. From what I can tell, that has what has been happening on and off since.

"You just can't handle him being a pedo because you like his music". Yes, there are some who would defend Jackson even if proof were found of sexual abuse just as there are some who will keep calling him an abuser despite lack of evidence. Like most people, I fit into neither camp. I loved Kevin Spacey as an actor, Rolf Harris was a great cartoonist and Bill Cosby I found hilarious ... but I'm not trying to defend them.

Thanks for your thoughts folks."

Yes Nancy
I watched the video this morning on youtube. And i saw Reed's comment about doing projects that "turn him on" he's a disgusting creep .
I always said he reminds me of those movie directors that get pleasure from making the viewers feel sick .

It's like the makers of hostel / saw movies etc who like pushing boundaries for the shock factor , they really feel they've achieved something by doing grotesque stuff .


I'm only just hearing about releasing Leaving Neverland on dvd/blueray , omg Dan Reed is a greedy con artist!!! and i wish him , Wade & James would all be punished & muted !.

Another concern aswell is that the sleaze bag has used an MJ impersonator to stand infront of a video of Hitler !, i knew that image wasn't really MJ all we see is the back of his head .

Another MJ impersonator who is actually a big MJ fan of course was asked to be apart of ruining MJ's legacy by posing in incriminating ways. How can people have the nerve to do this to try and bribe an impersonator to make MJ look like a monster , just when i thought Reed couldn't sink any lower.

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yes Nancy
I watched the video this morning on youtube. And i saw Reed's comment about doing projects that "turn him on" he's a disgusting creep .
I always said he reminds me of those movie directors that get pleasure from making the viewers feel sick .

It's like the makers of hostel / saw movies etc who like pushing boundaries for the shock factor , they really feel they've achieved something by doing grotesque stuff .


I'm only just hearing about releasing Leaving Neverland on dvd/blueray , omg Dan Reed is a greedy con artist!!! and i wish him , Wade & James would all be punished & muted !.

Another concern aswell is that the sleaze bag has used an MJ impersonator to stand infront of a video of Hitler !, i knew that image wasn't really MJ all we see is the back of his head .

Another MJ impersonator who is actually a big MJ fan of course was asked to be apart of ruining MJ's legacy by posing in incriminating ways. How can people have the nerve to do this to try and bribe an impersonator to make MJ look like a monster , just when i thought Reed couldn't sink any lower.

Exactly.

He claims to have "no interest in Jackson" but seems hell bent on destroying MJ's legacy while making money off of his name.
I didn't like the look of Reed when I first saw him a few years ago, and this documentary (along with his creepy comments) have made me dislike him even more. Do you know he wants to make a "sequel" to his sh!tty documentary and is trying to coax Gavin Arvizo and Jordan Chandler out from under their stones?

https://www.nme.com/news/music/leavi...ictims-2458470

Of course, this is purely for the accusers to tell "their story" and has nothing whatsoever to do with money.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Exactly.

He claims to have "no interest in Jackson" but seems hell bent on destroying MJ's legacy while making money off of his name.
I didn't like the look of Reed when I first saw him a few years ago, and this documentary (along with his creepy comments) have made me dislike him even more. Do you know he wants to make a "sequel" to his sh!tty documentary and is trying to coax Gavin Arvizo and Jordan Chandler out from under their stones?

https://www.nme.com/news/music/leavi...ictims-2458470

Of course, this is purely for the accusers to tell "their story" and has nothing whatsoever to do with money.

I'd never heard of the greedy slimeball prior to all this , when I first ever heard about 'Leaving Neverland' I actually assumed it was some American director . then I was surprised to found out he was a Brit . He's definitely making a name for himself on the dead body of MJ .

Any idiot that makes a film with "Neverland " in the title is just profiting off a famous person . He knows it gets attention that way . And I was sick of seeing his ugly mug on TV self promoting his BS job & crap directing skills .

Yeah I heard about Arvizo & Chandler , Reed is delusional!! . is he being serious, all the accusers are proven greedy liars . He basically wants to dig up old cases that were debunked and were a complete joke in the court room.

Good luck to him getting Arvizo & Chandler when both admitted their parents were scammers & crooks getting them to lie for money . Both have disappeared out the public eye . Can't see them showing their faces again as it's embarrassing.

[Toy Soldier]

This thread has just become a full on MJ Stan circlejerk, hasn't it...

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This thread has just become a full on MJ Stan circlejerk, hasn't it...

Why ? Just because not everyone agrees with you

[Tony Montana]

And there was me thinking this thread had died

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Why ? Just because not everyone agrees with you

No, because the only people still posting are MJ fans telling each other how innocent he is .

[parmnion]

Soggy biscuit..Michaels favourite game?

[Nancy.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No, because the only people still posting are MJ fans telling each other how innocent he is .

Except for you rushing in to comment whenever there's a new post, of course.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Except for you rushing in to comment whenever there's a new post, of course.

It's tea time

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No, because the only people still posting are MJ fans telling each other how innocent he is .

And they're not allowed to because?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Except for you rushing in to comment whenever there's a new post, of course.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Except for you rushing in to comment whenever there's a new post, of course.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And they're not allowed to because?

Who said they weren't allowed to .

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Who said they weren't allowed to .

It's tea time.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Nancy.

Except for you rushing in to comment whenever there's a new post, of course.

What can I say? It's important for there to be someone to keep people's feet on the ground when the conspiracy theories start flying. It's a tough job and thankless. And unpaid. But it's a sacred duty.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Who said they weren't allowed to .

Well there would be no other reason for you to make the comment unless people who don't believe the allegations commenting in the thread was a problem.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well there would be no other reason for you to make the comment unless people who don't believe the allegations commenting in the thread was a problem.

The reason for commenting was in the comment itself; to point out that the thread has become a pointless circle jerk.

I didn't say or even imply that circle jerks "aren't allowed" . People can do what they want and I can comment on that however I see fit .

I mean, I also find literally every thread in chat + games pointless... But if people want them it's not really a problem.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The reason for commenting was in the comment itself; to point out that the thread has become a pointless circle jerk.

I didn't say or even imply that circle jerks "aren't allowed" . People can do what they want and I can comment on that however I see fit .

I mean, I also find literally every thread in chat + games pointless... But if people want them it's not really a problem.

#justiceforneem

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The reason for commenting was in the comment itself; to point out that the thread has become a pointless circle jerk.

I didn't say or even imply that circle jerks "aren't allowed" . People can do what they want and I can comment on that however I see fit .

I mean, I also find literally every thread in chat + games pointless... But if people want them it's not really a problem.

People discussing their defence of Jackson against the allegations is pointless?

Literally no different to those discussing how they believe the allegations.

[Alf]

Barbara Streisand has had something to say on this.

Look it up

[Nicky91]

can this topic stop already ffs how long will this go on and on

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

People discussing their defence of Jackson against the allegations is pointless?

Literally no different to those discussing how they believe the allegations.

People discussing their defence against the allegations with other people who already believe that Jackson is innocent of those allegations? Posting "evidence" when it's quite clear that everyone's mind is set in stone on this issue and people have accepted that and moved on seems like a pointless circle-jerk TO ME, Marsh and I'm allowed to say so . You might not think so, they might not think so, and no one said they're not allowed to do it as you falsely suggested before, so please stop telling me what I'm "allowed and not allowed" to do and think .

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Alf

Barbara Streisand has had something to say on this.

Look it up

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nme...ds-2465866/amp




She's playing in Hyde Park this year.