[Wizard.]

Jean Claude Juncker has stated tonight that there will be “no third chance” and that MP’s must back May’s deal or there will be no Brexit. This comes after the U.K. government has agreed with the EU assurances on a legally binding backstop. Source: Peston

[parmnion]

Someone needs to tell him there will be a brexit.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Someone needs to tell him there will be a brexit.

May has obviously told him to say this to scare ERG members and Brexit MP’s to back her deal. I think what he means is that is the best we can get, and it’s either that, an extension which results in nothing so there’s no point, or a second referendum and a risk of remaining.

[joeysteele]

I now think MPs should just back her agreement.
It's not ideal but maybe the best we can expect.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I now think MPs should just back her agreement.
It's not ideal but maybe the best we can expect.

I agree, we cannot allow a second referendum so remoaners can claim victory.

[reece(:]

No brexit at all it is

[Alf]

Drunken old fool.

[Twosugars]

tbf that man does eu no favours, get rid asap

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Riley.

I agree, we cannot allow a second referendum so remoaners can claim victory.

I voted remain but no way do I want another referendum.
I've wavered on it.
However no way do I want to go through that again.

Best just back the PMs agreement now and get on with things after that.

[arista]

Juncker
can not tell us what will happen.
It all depends if the Irish DUP back this.

[bitontheslide]

we can still leave without a deal, until the votes are done we don't know, and neither does Junker

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I voted remain but no way do I want another referendum.
I've wavered on it.
However no way do I want to go through that again.

Best just back the PMs agreement now and get on with things after that.

Totally agree Joey. I wanted to remain but I don't think voting again is particularly democratic and if the result changed, I think that would be more damaging to us as a country. We need to get it done now.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Totally agree Joey. I wanted to remain but I don't think voting again is particularly democratic and if the result changed, I think that would be more damaging to us as a country. We need to get it done now.

And trying to rush through a deal isn't going to damage us?

[bitontheslide]

What annoys me more than anything is our MP's all playing politics even at this late stage than thinking about our country. OK, so its not the ideal deal for everyone, but this is our country's future now we are talking about, not in 5 years, not in 10 years, not in 50 years. To suggest that any deal agreed now cannot be changed in the future is misleading the British people and doing us a very great disservice.

Corbyn, the ERG, the remainers, should all back this country's future now by agreeing the deal, or forever be held responsible for their intransigence

[Cherie]

7/10 chance now of a second referendum

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

we can still leave without a deal, until the votes are done we don't know, and neither does Junker

I think the vote on going out without a deal will be overwhelmingly rejected

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Shaun

And trying to rush through a deal isn't going to damage us?

Less damage than the risk of leaving with no deal, yes. Less damage than the anarchy and unrest that will happen if they overturn a democratic vote yes.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

. To suggest that any deal agreed now cannot be changed in the future is misleading the British people and doing us a very great disservice.

Yes I keep coming back to that. Literally ANY deal is better than no deal and - assuming we are indeed leaving - the sensible option is to take the deal that's there, get some breathing space, and go forward. The terms of any deal can always be renegotiated in future! There's this image being pushed that if we take a deal, "That's it" forever which is obviously totally false .

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes I keep coming back to that. Literally ANY deal is better than no deal and - assuming we are indeed leaving - the sensible option is to take the deal that's there, get some breathing space, and go forward. The terms of any deal can always be renegotiated in future! There's this image being pushed that if we take a deal, "That's it" forever which is obviously totally false .

Yeah,This isn’t even THE deal.It’s just the withdrawal agreement that lets us start the real negotiations.
As you say,Anything can be changed during the future partnership negotiations if both sides agree.

Parliament needs to pull their fingers out and stop pissing around now.

I don’t think there’s any way this is going through though.

There’s Corbyn and his cronies who just want to disrupt anything that’s Tory related.
Then the likes of Ree-Smog and the ERG who may or may not get cold feet and vote in favour of this.
Then Soubry and TIG who will never ever vote for any deal and the same with the Lib Dems.

Theresa went to Europe and got some ‘legally binding assurance’ that the backstop can be time limited.That could possibly change the stance of the ERG but if the last vote result is anything to go by.That won’t be enough.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

tbf that man does eu no favours, get rid asap

that's not very nice to say about the leader of the EC

he does a great job for us EU, i can fully understand him also being sick and tired of this unnecessary UK drama now, while he also has Hungary with that a-hole Orban to focus on, getting rid of him as hungary's leader

[James]

I agree with those pointing out the current deal only covers the transitional arrangements, not the final relationship with the EU - that still has to be finalised.

Accept the current deal, and there is time to work on it further. Who knows what the political scene will be like in the next few years. We'll probably end up with a soft Brexit, given the views of the current set of MPs (though they could change).

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Riley.

I agree, we cannot allow a second referendum so remoaners can claim victory.

This reads like a 12 year old who pretends to know what’s going on with politics but really has no clue

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

This reads like a 12 year old who pretends to know what’s going on with politics but really has no clue

As someone who is projected to get a first class degree in Politics you sound like a snob.

[LeatherTrumpet]

oof

[Underscore]

I'm a remainer and my ideal outcome would be no brexit, but I think looking at all avenues and whatever can come out of today's vote there is only two.

May's deal or hard brexit.

I think I'd support May's deal as although not ideal, I think it's the best way to go forward for the country.