[parmnion]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnnyMer...45571376459777



The video is a hard watch, but every single man involved in this incident was eventually released with a full pardon.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnnyMer...45571376459777



The video is a hard watch, but every single man involved in this incident was eventually released with a full pardon.

That's the one I was on about the other day Parmy,it stuck in my mind it was so barbaric.

[arista]

Real Sad the 2 Undercover Soldiers
were Murdered,
I wish they Could have reversed faster more

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's the one I was on about the other day Parmy,it stuck in my mind it was so barbaric.

It was live on tv from my recollection, I may be wrong but I think they were the funerals of that scumbag Stones funeral grenade attack..


But yes, all those involved recieved a pardon from the uk government who have then gone on to prosecute it's soldiers who also committed a heinous act on bloody Sunday, but imo...you can't do one and not the other.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by arista

Real Sad the 2 Undercover Soldiers
were Murdered,
I wish they Could have reversed faster more

They reversed pretty fast to be fair, but the route was either blocked by people who they may not have wanted to run down (they didn't shoot thier guns so I believe that to be true)....or ira taxis.



Surrounded, so pulled out thier gun..That's when the crowd backs off..but they didn't shoot..(I believe).. perhaps expecting a severe beating rather than the humiliating death they suffered..

[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

They reversed pretty fast to be fair, but the route was either blocked by people who they may not have wanted to run down (they didn't shoot thier guns so I believe that to be true)....or ira taxis.



Surrounded, so pulled out thier gun..That's when the crowd backs off..but they didn't shoot.... perhaps expecting a severe beating rather than the humiliating death they suffered..

I would have run them down
to stay alive

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

They reversed pretty fast to be fair, but the route was either blocked by people who they may not have wanted to run down (they didn't shoot thier guns so I believe that to be true)....or ira taxis.



Surrounded, so pulled out thier gun..That's when the crowd backs off..but they didn't shoot..(I believe).. perhaps expecting a severe beating rather than the humiliating death they suffered..

Must have taken something not to shoot, tbh, even I at a young age remember the footage and papers the next day it was just so awful.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Must have taken something not to shoot, tbh, even I at a young age remember the footage and papers the next day it was just so awful.

Oh a gun shot was heard....they blamed that on the corporals.BUT.

It was confirmed via post-mortem that Corporal Wood was shot twice in the head and four times in the body as well as being stabbed 4 times in the neck. Corporal Howes was shot once in the head and four times in the body. So why would you shoot the one that's been stabbed 4 times in the neck twice in the head and the other one just once?

[parmnion]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971...rs%27_killings


It was the 48th anniversary of this just last week.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Oh a gun shot was heard....they blamed that on the corporals.BUT.

It was confirmed via post-mortem that Corporal Wood was shot twice in the head and four times in the body as well as being stabbed 4 times in the neck. Corporal Howes was shot once in the head and four times in the body. So why would you shoot the one that's been stabbed 4 times in the neck twice in the head and the other one just once?

Didn't one of them shoot his gun into the air, at first to make them back off ? when he could have easily shot a few and they may have escaped.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Didn't one of them shoot his gun into the air, at first to make them back off ? when he could have easily shot a few and they may have escaped.

That is the bit that doesn't make sense to me..I've seen pictures of him leaning out the window with the gun but he had pulled it out before the window got smashed and in the footage the crowd moves back before the windows gets smashed..you then see one of the suspects smash the window which is then instantly surrounded again...the picture of the soldier hanging out the window doesn't have anyone else in the pic if I remember correctly...So the still photo and the video evidence doesn't add up to me.

[rusticgal]

I remember it well....it was sickening.

[Cherie]

Yes it was sickening just like Bloody Sunday was sickening but not one of you has commented on that thread other than to bring up this incident which is quite insulting in my view, and this is what a hard border which will resurrect, so when you say you want a no deal Brexit look forward to more of this

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I remember it well....it was sickening.

They even forced a priest holding them as they lay bleeding, to leave before they tossed thier naked tortured bodies over a high wall to waiting taxis.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes it was sickening just like Bloody Sunday was sickening but not one of you has commented on that thread other than to bring up this incident which is quite insulting in my view, and this is what a hard border which will resurrect, so when you say you want a no deal Brexit look forward to more of this

What's insulting is one side gets let off, often given leading roles in society, while the other side is left with years of torment and fear before finally being hung by your own.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What's insulting is one side gets let off, often given leading roles in society, while the other side is left with years of torment and fear before finally being hung by your own.

Well go make a petition, or write to your MP or do something about it then rather than moaning on a Big Brother forum

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes it was sickening just like Bloody Sunday was sickening but not one of you has commented on that thread other than to bring up this incident which is quite insulting in my view, and this is what a hard border which will resurrect, so when you say you want a no deal Brexit look forward to more of this

Well I was going to find out more on Bloody Sunday as tbh I know very little about it,but as soon as I mentioned the thing I remembered about the soldiers,I got shot down so didn't bother to find out much else about it,I was only young myself and only remembered that as it was quite graphic,I am half Irish myself and have recently found family from Cork McVeighs,so I was wanting to find out more but as I said it was quite hostile so I left it at that, I didn't mean to insult anyone I was genuinely interested.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Well go make a petition, or write to your MP or do something about it then rather than moaning on a Big Brother forum

You sound like the only one moaning in this thread. Now if you've nothing more to add kindly move along.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You sound like the only one moaning in this thread. Now if you've nothing more to add kindly move along.

It a public forum I don't need to move along at all

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well I was going to find out more on Bloody Sunday as tbh I know very little about it,but as soon as I mentioned the thing I remembered about the soldiers,I got shot down so didn't bother to find out much else about it,I was only young myself and only remembered that as it was quite graphic,I am half Irish myself and have recently found family from Cork McVeighs,so I was wanting to find out more but as I said it was quite hostile so I left it at that, I didn't mean to insult anyone I was genuinely interested.

Thanks for a balanced view Kazanne, there were plenty wrongs on both sides, I don't agree with soldiers being held to account at this stage unless there is solid evidence that they abused their status and killed innocents and even then I think it is those higher up the chain of command that should be answering questions

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes it was sickening just like Bloody Sunday was sickening but not one of you has commented on that thread other than to bring up this incident which is quite insulting in my view, and this is what a hard border which will resurrect, so when you say you want a no deal Brexit look forward to more of this

Conversely, Cherie, there was more than a little animosity on the other thread and I didn't get the feeling that the two incidents were being seen as sickening as each other. In fact, there was some irritation that this story had been mentioned, when it was in context with the discussion. Both incidents were terrible. The parents of everyone who died in the two incidents deserve justice. But the families of the two young soldiers ripped apart by a baying mob of Irish people will never get justice because their murderers have been pardoned... while a soldier involved with Bloody Sunday will be made to stand trial. The whole thing needs to be handled with an even hand and right now it's a competition over who suffered most.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I remember this well, watching it on tv

barbaric

[Toy Soldier]

Surely we can all agree that it in fact IS more important to make an example of a trained soldier who has given in to bloodlust than pretty much any other incident, though? That's not to downplay other atrocities but we put military grade weaponry in the hands of soldiers and when we do so we trust them not to abuse that power. A soldier who goes rogue and commits any war crime HAS to be made an example of or we're on a very dark path. And this was on British soil which elevates it even beyond that.

So are terrorist attacks just as sickening as these killings? Yes, obviously taken as individual incidents they are, murder is murder. But it has to be accepted that pardoning soldiers has much wider implications than the incident itself. The message HAS to be "When you put on this uniform and pick up these weapons we are trusting you with a huge responsibility, with the reputation of the military and the country, and if you violate that trust there are severe consequences".

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It a public forum I don't need to move along at all

Yes it indeed is, which is why I posted on it with this topic...

I have also petitioned downing street regarding the bloody Sunday charges and will March on downing street if I hear of any demonstration marches like I do to protest at its covering up of paedophilia.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Surely we can all agree that it in fact IS more important to make an example of a trained soldier who has given in to bloodlust than pretty much any other incident, though? That's not to downplay other atrocities but we put military grade weaponry in the hands of soldiers and when we do so we trust them not to abuse that power. A soldier who goes rogue and commits any war crime HAS to be made an example of or we're on a very dark path. And this was on British soil which elevates it even beyond that.

So are terrorist attacks just as sickening as these killings? Yes, obviously taken as individual incidents they are, murder is murder. But it has to be accepted that pardoning soldiers has much wider implications than the incident itself. The message HAS to be "When you put on this uniform and pick up these weapons we are trusting you with a huge responsibility, with the reputation of the military and the country, and if you violate that trust there are severe consequences".

This is the thing, people instantly think you want the soldier pardoned.....I bloody dont; I want them all charged and all pardoned murderers ent back to prison to serve out thier sentences....not in a cushy jail either where they run the wings..