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Underscore · 17-04-2019, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

all asked by remain voters

just saying this shows how utterly stupid the electorate is at large and why we should just stick to representative democracy.

LeatherTrumpet · 17-04-2019, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Underscore

just saying this shows how utterly stupid the electorate is at large and why we should just stick to representative democracy.

no it does not as most of those questions were probably asked by people too young to vote unless you know otherwise?

Underscore · 17-04-2019, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no it does not as most of those questions were probably asked by people too young to vote unless you know otherwise?

do you know otherwise?

LeatherTrumpet · 17-04-2019, 12:47 PM

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do you know otherwise?

No so I did not post that graphic trying to prove a point that does not exist

Vicky. · 17-04-2019, 12:59 PM

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like yourself then?

I think this applies to a hell of a lot of people, on both sides. I fully admit I did not know at the time exactly what I was voting for, should have researched more before voting. I figure a lot of people were in the same boat as me, and if you are undecided and then see lies such as 'extra 350m to the NHS' and stuff, I can see why that would sway people. The outright lies told by both sides were horrendous tbh.

Vicky. · 17-04-2019, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

all asked by remain voters

Both, I would say tbh.

I find this 'leavers did not know what they were voting for' argument a bit daft, yes many didn't, and it shows by the kind of things they say now about it all (eg. my parents fell for the NHS thing) however, lots of nremainers did not know really.

I voted remain, but at the time was so confused by all the misinformation that I pretty much only voted to keep the staus quo, as better the devil you know

bitontheslide · 17-04-2019, 01:09 PM

i think people are missing the point. leave.eu was a russian sponsored campaign to create havoc in the uk/europe ... and it was very successful.

If you ask voters after a general election if they knew what they were voting for, very few would be able to answer yes. With all votes, you are voting for a future you hope may come to pass, which is completely nebulous. The referendum was no different.

LeatherTrumpet · 17-04-2019, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think this applies to a hell of a lot of people, on both sides. I fully admit I did not know at the time exactly what I was voting for, should have researched more before voting. I figure a lot of people were in the same boat as me, and if you are undecided and then see lies such as 'extra 350m to the NHS' and stuff, I can see why that would sway people. The outright lies told by both sides were horrendous tbh.

Welcome to every ref and every general election in history

Vicky. · 17-04-2019, 01:20 PM

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Welcome to every ref and every general election in history

Well quite. Mind I do tend to research for general elections, but most of the stuff in manifestos is bollocks, except the stuff that would disadvantage the public, which always seems to get passed

Really really do NOT want a general election anytime soon, and its looking quite likely. I would have to spoil my ballot tbh, as none of them are worth voting for :/

Also good point about the Russian interference BOTS. I believe the russians actually have 'troll farms' where they purposely try to sway the public on certain things too.

Ammi · 17-04-2019, 01:24 PM

..not the pesky immigrants coming over here and taking our fake news, pffft...

Ammi · 17-04-2019, 01:27 PM

...the Referendum voting can’t really be compared to any general election voting...it’s not an accurate comparison as how many votes in any of our lifetimes has there been to decide on our position in or out of the EU...only one...and probably only ever will be one in our lifetimes...

Tom4784 · 17-04-2019, 01:57 PM

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i would not try and pretend to know what swayed millions of people to vote leave or remain and i certainly would not call 17 million people illinformed

So you have no actual argument then? The amount of fake news, doctored footage and straight up lies that came from the Leave camp is staggering but your only response is that 'well, let's ignore all that and pretend that most voters are informed!'

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Isn't it cute how remainers think they're such great researchers, so much better than anyone who disagrees with them. I mean, it doesn't matter who that person is with whom they're disagreeing, if their opinion is different then they're awful, stoooopid, right wing bigots.

Again, prove to me that people are informed instead of going 'REEEE! REMAINERS!' I've put forth my argument, I've highlighted how prevalent fake news is especially regarding the leave campaign so if you have a counterpoint beyond crying about Remainers then by all means, Livia, offer it up.

Tom4784 · 17-04-2019, 01:59 PM

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all asked by remain voters

Umm...

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i would not try and pretend to know what swayed millions of people.......

So you won't assume that voters are typically uninformed but you'll believe that the people asking what the EU is are automatically remainers? Such rampant hypocrisy.

Vicky. · 17-04-2019, 02:09 PM

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Again, prove to me that people are informed instead of going 'REEEE! REMAINERS!'

Are you a member of kiwifarms by any chance?!

Thats the only place I have ever seen that reeee thing when browsing some threads

Tom4784 · 17-04-2019, 02:32 PM

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Are you a member of kiwifarms by any chance?!

Thats the only place I have ever seen that reeee thing when browsing some threads

It's quite a common thing. It's usually used in response to people being ahem 'snowflakes' about social issues but I find it often suits the other side better.

bitontheslide · 17-04-2019, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

...the Referendum voting can’t really be compared to any general election voting...it’s not an accurate comparison as how many votes in any of our lifetimes has there been to decide on our position in or out of the EU...only one...and probably only ever will be one in our lifetimes...

i've voted twice now

Twosugars · 17-04-2019, 03:44 PM

Let's face it, leaving the EU does not make any economic sense, it's all about politics and visceral dislike of the EU. And some delusion about sovereignty. No country bound by any international agreements is fully sovereign.
But I'd rather work with and within Europe, our nearest neighbours, and decide things together than go it alone and have larger partners dictating things to me. Like it's happening now with the EU dictating to the UK. So much for the EU begging us for a deal

It will be China and the US next.

LeatherTrumpet · 17-04-2019, 03:51 PM

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Umm...

So you won't assume that voters are typically uninformed but you'll believe that the people asking what the EU is are automatically remainers? Such rampant hypocrisy.

I was illustrating how pointless underscore and his sourceless graphic was, you have missed vthe point in your rush to score a pyrrhic point

LeatherTrumpet · 17-04-2019, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

Let's face it, leaving the EU does not make any economic sense, it's all about politics and visceral dislike of the EU. And some delusion about sovereignty. No country bound by any international agreements is fully sovereign.
But I'd rather work with and within Europe, our nearest neighbours, and decide things together than go it alone and have larger partners dictating things to me. Like it's happening now with the EU dictating to the UK. So much for the EU begging us for a deal

It will be China and the US next.

Is actually fair comment

Smithy · 17-04-2019, 04:01 PM

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no it does not as most of those questions were probably asked by people too young to vote unless you know otherwise?

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"most people didn't know what they were voting for"

that is a personal assumption only

The Slim Reaper · 17-04-2019, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

Let's face it, leaving the EU does not make any economic sense, it's all about politics and visceral dislike of the EU. And some delusion about sovereignty. No country bound by any international agreements is fully sovereign.
But I'd rather work with and within Europe, our nearest neighbours, and decide things together than go it alone and have larger partners dictating things to me. Like it's happening now with the EU dictating to the UK. So much for the EU begging us for a deal

It will be China and the US next.

The US have said if we screw up the border in Ireland there won't be a trade deal.

Oliver_W · 17-04-2019, 04:04 PM

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Well quite. Mind I do tend to research for general elections, but most of the stuff in manifestos is bollocks, except the stuff that would disadvantage the public, which always seems to get passed

Really really do NOT want a general election anytime soon, and its looking quite likely. I would have to spoil my ballot tbh, as none of them are worth voting for :/

Even if Theresa May does step down or gets ousted, that doesn't warrant a general election. We don't vote for the PM, we vote for the MP for our constituency. The PM represents the party with the most MPs.