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Old 22-04-2019, 12:44 PM   #1
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Default 2019 will be Nigel Farage's year. THE BREXIT PARTY



Mrs May's failures have allowed populism to flourish in Britain


Nigel Farage is back. Less than three years after Britain voted for Brexit and Farage left politics to ‘get his life back’,
the former leader of UKIP and now leader of the Brexit Party has been forced to return to the ring. Angered by the ‘betrayal of Brexit’,
Farage looks anything but the ageing prize-fighter. I’ve known him for seven years and today he is as energetic, ambitious and confident
as he’s ever been. And he is cutting through.

Though only launched a week ago, the Brexit Party is already surging in the polls, can claim more than 100,000 registered supporters
and is tearing large chunks off the Conservative Party’s electorate. Farage’s political instincts and timing were always underestimated.
Now, he is tapping direct into a reservoir of frustration among Leavers who feel utterly cut adrift from Mrs May’s vision of Brexit, her
failure to keep ‘no deal’ on the table and decision to lend credence to Jeremy Corbyn,
a man who they were only recently asked to believe posed a major threat to their national security.

This rebooted revolt on the right could yet have profound consequences. If anything there is more space for Farage today
than there ever was before. What started as a campaign against the EU is morphing into a campaign against Westminster.
Last week, one survey suggested that one in two of Britain’s Leavers plan to vote for Farage. As Sir John Curtice noted recently
in the Telegraph, Leavers are no longer leaving the Conservative Party in a trickle but a flood. This is deeply problematic for a party
that relies far more on Leavers than Remainers. In general election polls this past week the Brexit Party is in the 12 to 14 per cent
range, more than enough to put the Conservatives into opposition and Jeremy Corbyn into Number 10. Make no mistake: 2019 could
be the Conservative Party’s annus horribilis.

Shortly after Mrs May unveiled her Chequers Brexit, I warned that Leavers, who want a meaningful and clean Brexit, would soon
abandon the party in droves. This is now happening. There is also evidence to suggest that something deeper is going on.
the Brexit Party is as popular among the working-class as Labour, both of whom are ahead of the Conservatives.
s elsewhere in Europe, national populism is becoming the new home of the working-class.


None of this was supposed to happen. After 52 per cent of the country voted for Brexit,
and David Cameron made way for Theresa May, Britain was supposed to put populism back in the box.
The mainstream Conservative government was supposed to devise a competent negotiation strategy,
trigger Article 50, lead Britain out of the EU and then go back to the country with the offer of a radical new
settlement that would address the other drivers of Brexit, from reforming immigration to tackling regional inequality,
from devolving more powers to the regions, to doing more for left behind and left out Britain. In some other universe
Mrs May is using the remaining months of 2019 to prepare for a general election in 2020, with an ambitious policy platform
that resonates among workers and leaves scant room for Mr Corbyn.

Except, as we now know, none of that happened. What did happen is that Mrs May’s premiership
turned from one of great promise into one of great disappointment. Future historians will likely only
make note of Mrs May when debating contenders for the title of Britain’s worst Prime Minister or, perhaps,
when explaining what pushed the Conservatives into a serious split and a prolonged period in opposition.
The Prime Minister and her team have brought their party to a point where, last week, it reached just 23 per cent in the polls.
If this were replicated at an election it would be the worst result in the entire history of the party.

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Old 22-04-2019, 12:46 PM   #2
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The top comment to date on the article is:


For upwards of 30 years the problem has not only been Brexit but a western-world-wide Political Class which is simply an interest-group,

like estate agents or car salesmen: in politics to collect large amounts of money, privilege and self-importance, with none of yesteryears' concern about issues.


Currently the EU leadership and 7/8ths of MPs twist, writhe, tergiversate - and trample over law and precedent! - in order to accomplish
what THEY want for THEIR careers: a UK still ruled by the EU.


The battle is joined in this country at last between the Real Foes: the People versus the Political Class which does not care for them
and is opposed to looking after their needs.
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Yes the Eu Elections
End of May
Loads of the Conservatives are now backing
the Brexit Party.

Some Conservatives refusing to be MEP's

Even Old Ann Widdecombe is backing Nigel Farage.

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The top comment to date on the article is:





For upwards of 30 years the problem has not only been Brexit but a western-world-wide Political Class which is simply an interest-group,



like estate agents or car salesmen: in politics to collect large amounts of money, privilege and self-importance, with none of yesteryears' concern about issues.





Currently the EU leadership and 7/8ths of MPs twist, writhe, tergiversate - and trample over law and precedent! - in order to accomplish

what THEY want for THEIR careers: a UK still ruled by the EU.





The battle is joined in this country at last between the Real Foes: the People versus the Political Class which does not care for them

and is opposed to looking after their needs.
The problem is that comments like these are only "half woke" in that they identify the problem of self-interested political class... But then somehow manage to fail to realise that Farage does not fall outside of that world and is as much a self-interested, self-promoting career politician as any high profile Labour or Tory politician.
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Something will happen. People feel like they've been shafted. We voted to leave... here we are still dicking around. The silent majority will be heard. Maybe no one believes that... but then, no one thought we'd vote to leave. Some people demonstrate and shout and holler, other people quietly vote and expect their democratic vote to count.

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The problem is that comments like these are only "half woke" in that they identify the problem of self-interested political class... But then somehow manage to fail to realise that Farage does not fall outside of that world and is as much a self-interested, self-promoting career politician as any high profile Labour or Tory politician.
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you have no idea what his motivations are
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I have as much idea what his motivations are as anyone has an idea what any politicians motives are? And the original comment was about the motivations of the political class.
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I have as much idea what his motivations are as anyone has an idea what any politicians motives are? And the original comment was about the motivations of the political class.
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It’s a party that wants to leave but can’t really explain why or how. They’re perfect for a good 25% of the population. They’ll do well.
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If he can stop Corbyn getting into number 10 that fine by me !!
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If he can stop Corbyn getting into number 10 that fine by me !!
They're mainly siphoning off the chunk of the working class that was duped into voting for the Tories 10 years ago and got them into / kept them in power. We're not going to have a PM in Westminster who isn't Tory or Labour for a long time yet. So if anything Farage's new group will HELP Corbyn into No. 10 by default, by significantly weakening the Tory vote in every constituency they stand in.
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Isn't it funny that when working class people vote Tory, they must have been duped into it. My experience of the working class is that they're pretty savvy and can make a judgement as well as anyone. Furthermore, having had access to the party membership records I can tell you that there are plenty of working class members. Another mistake that's made is the supposition that people who voted for Farage were all Tories... and that simply is not true.

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Isn't it funny that when working class people vote Tory, they must have been duped into it. My experience of the working class is that they're pretty savvy and can make a judgement as well as anyone. Furthermore, having had access to the party membership records I can tell you that there are plenty of working class members. Another mistake that's made is the supposition that people who voted for Farage were all Tories... and that simply is not true.
They were duped into it because the promises that were made to lure a specific voting demographic were proven to be false... and the tories have done nothing but systematically destroy small towns and villages all across Britain through under-funding, and demonise the working poor as "lazy", for the past 10 years.

I also don't think there's any supposition that "all" Brexit party voters are Tories either - Labour are losing votes to them too - but the currently available stats show quite clearly that it's the Conservatives who are going to suffer the most from having their vote split. You can ignore the figures if you want but it doesn't change them.
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Nicky you have just found the way for me to agree to a positive to Theresa May.

I'd have her there any day of the week over, as you describe him, self obsessed Farage.
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They were duped into it because the promises that were made to lure a specific voting demographic were proven to be false... and the tories have done nothing but systematically destroy small towns and villages all across Britain through under-funding, and demonise the working poor as "lazy", for the past 10 years.

I also don't think there's any supposition that "all" Brexit party voters are Tories either - Labour are losing votes to them too - but the currently available stats show quite clearly that it's the Conservatives who are going to suffer the most from having their vote split. You can ignore the figures if you want but it doesn't change them.

Oh sorry, I forgot you were working from the "current available stats" and the rest of us were just expressing an opinion based on everything we've read.
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Oh sorry, I forgot you were working from the "current available stats" and the rest of us were just expressing an opinion based on everything we've read.
So it's false that the Conservative are losing more to the new Brexit parties than other parties are?
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I am worried that this will fracture the vote enough for a Corbyn win (as yes, the party seems to be siphoning more tory votes than Labour). But at the same time, another 4 years of Tory rule makes me feel ill. I don't think this party has any chance of 'winning' as such, they might gain a few seats if the popularity keeps coming though. But its pretty much always going to be Tory or Labour I think. And the thought of either in their current state, brings on a sense of impending doom tbh.
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So it's false that the Conservative are losing more to the new Brexit parties than other parties are?
Who knows? Probably...
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They're mainly siphoning off the chunk of the working class that was duped into voting for the Tories 10 years ago and got them into / kept them in power. We're not going to have a PM in Westminster who isn't Tory or Labour for a long time yet. So if anything Farage's new group will HELP Corbyn into No. 10 by default, by significantly weakening the Tory vote in every constituency they stand in.
The working class Labour voters were duped by their MPS who scuppered Brexit, against their voters wishes
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