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Cherie · 27-05-2019, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

Yes the Labour Party.

But for a 6 weeks start up
they now the UK Biggest Party in the EU

Change UK with proper British MP's
got No MEP's they failed 100%

I don' think anyone is surprised, they had no campaign and have made too many early gaffes

Alf · 27-05-2019, 07:47 AM

Let's say you're right and we have another referendum and remoan wins, then the Leavers are just not gonna accept the result, why should they?

Cherie · 27-05-2019, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Actually until last nights result,.
I wasn't sure remain would win a 2nd referendum or even wanted one myself.

However I agree with you, on all you've said above.
This less than 40% turnout still failed to give the pro brexit parties, one under the louder mouth of Farage, over 50% of the votes cast.

The splintered remain supporting votes matter since those votes will never go to pro brexit parties.
I think you are right a new referendum would likely result in a remain vote.
Certainly however a solid vote against any no deal Brexit.

It would be a massive slap in the face to the bulk of the UK, those who vote and can't yet vote, if that is now ignored by any new leader of the Conservatives.

For my current party, Labour, they must now come out for a new referendum.
If it doesn't, I will need to think where I am as to politics now.

Just seen a stat on Sky news 35% Brexit, 40% remain, which is pretty good given the campaign publicity the Brexit party got over the others

Cherie · 27-05-2019, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf

Let's say you're right and we have another referendum and remoan wins, then the Leavers are just not gonna accept the result, why should they?

if there is a 2nd ref they have to build in a clear percentage win and also that it will be binding ....if leave won a second vote I would accept it, I think people know alot more of what they are voting for now

Nicky91 · 27-05-2019, 07:50 AM

from us dutch, our Labour party (PVDA) is the one with most MEPs in european parliament, and yes our frans timmermans is running for EC president, to try and be successor of Juncker

our nexit heavy party PVV out of european parliament

and the other far right forum only 3 seats so doesn't have a majority by far against all other left parties in the MEPs for us

so no nexit for us

joeysteele · 27-05-2019, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Just seen a stat on Sky news 35% Brexit, 40% remain, which is pretty good given the campaign publicity the Brexit party got over the others

I agree fully again Cherie.

Alf · 27-05-2019, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

if there is a 2nd ref they have to build in a clear percentage win and also that it will be binding ....if leave won a second vote I would accept it, I think people know alot more of what they are voting for now

Doesn't matter, the Leavers are not going to accept it if they were defeated, they're just gonna say it's 1-1.

If there was another vote, leave would win by a bigger margin than last time, I'm confident of that and the country doesn't need it, just to prove me right.

bitontheslide · 27-05-2019, 07:59 AM

labour did get battered last night, but labour have never stood for a no deal brexit, so the votes they did pick up are also in direct opposition to the brexit party. When you take that into account the anti-no deal brexit was huge compared to the votes the brexit party picked up

I just don't see how we can politically resolve the situation now without another ref

Alf · 27-05-2019, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

labour did get battered last night, but labour have never stood for a no deal brexit, so the votes they did pick up are also in direct opposition to the brexit party. When you take that into account the anti-no deal brexit was huge compared to the votes the brexit party picked up

I just don't see how we can politically resolve the situation now without another ref

It's easy to solve it, just leave, and let's start getting on with life again
.

Nicky91 · 27-05-2019, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf

It's easy to solve it, just leave, and let's start getting on with life again
.

no, it's not that simple

Alf · 27-05-2019, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky91

no, it's not that simple

"When you put your mind to it, you can achieve anything"

George Mcfly 1985

arista · 27-05-2019, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky91

no, it's not that simple

Yes its not Simple
But I am sure the EU
will allow WTO
just to get us out the way.

parmnion · 27-05-2019, 08:24 AM

Stop smudging the figures, there is a leaning that remainers won this vote, but people are using labour votes in the count and we all know labour is split on remain and leave.

Brexit won this hands down, and considering the 40 percent turnout, I think you could say the majority of non voters would be brexit eery fed up with the lack of brexit...

And corbyn should do the honourable thing like may did and resign at the state of his party atm.

arista · 27-05-2019, 08:27 AM

Former TV Chef
Antony Worral Thompson
was Conservative, now supports the Brexit Party
as a protest vote.

He is Live on Ch5HD Am

Cherie · 27-05-2019, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf

Doesn't matter, the Leavers are not going to accept it if they were defeated, they're just gonna say it's 1-1.

If there was another vote, leave would win by a bigger margin than last time, I'm confident of that and the country doesn't need it, just to prove me right.

Happy with that, I don't think many remainers would have an issue if leave were to win again, that really would be the will of the people, I can't prove you right I only have one vote same as you

Cherie · 27-05-2019, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Stop smudging the figures, there is a leaning that remainers won this vote, but people are using labour votes in the count and we all know labour is split on remain and leave.

Brexit won this hands down, and considering the 40 percent turnout, I think you could say the majority of non voters would be brexit eery fed up with the lack of brexit...

And corbyn should do the honourable thing like may did and resign at the state of his party atm.

Without Labour its 40/35 to remain, just seen the guy on Yougov confirm this on Sky

Withano · 27-05-2019, 08:36 AM

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Anti-Brexit parties - those in favour of another referendum - collectively took about 40% of the vote, compared with 35% for the two parties in favour of leaving the EU without a deal.

Sends a pretty clear message

arista · 27-05-2019, 08:41 AM

The Brexity Party in Scotland
are projected to gain another MEP
making there total to 29

The Brexit Party
came 2nd in Scotland.

arista · 27-05-2019, 08:52 AM

Change UK and Greens
keep repeating the same word "Broken"

Its not Broken
its the Leaders of the 2 main party's not getting it right

arista · 27-05-2019, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Withano

Sends a pretty clear message

No it does not
if it was clear
Change UK would have at least gained a MEP
instead they are like UKIP
nothing

Smithy · 27-05-2019, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Stop smudging the figures, there is a leaning that remainers won this vote, but people are using labour votes in the count and we all know labour is split on remain and leave.

Nope wrong