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Old 11-05-2019, 05:26 PM   #26
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Women and 11 yr old girls being forced to continue an unwanted pregnancy because of his beleifs is hate preaching

i know we will disagree Oliver ..but his talk about Muslims....and palastenians is nothing short of shocking.I am a Boer growing up during Apartheid.When a man claims he is a man of God but that man's life is worth less than mine it is not pushing it to say it is hate preaching.
You believe it's hate speech, but he believes that he's calling out murder.

I think both sides of the argument on this issue have strong cases.

Hate speech is free speech
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You believe it's hate speech, but he believes that he's calling out murder.

I think both sides of the argument on this issue have strong cases.

Hate speech is free speech
The abortion debate is a debate. I happen to think that the "100% no questions asked pro life" approach is pretty abhorrent and totally wrong-headed (in that I don't think some people actually understand the potential harm, at all), but I can concede that it is nonetheless a debate.

Some of the things he's had to say about "Arabs" and Palestine is straight up hate speech. There's no two ways about it. The quote read out at 13m into the video:

"Israeli's like to build - Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage."

"The Palestinian Arab population is rotten to the core"


He said the first quote, then later tried to take it back and say he "only meant Palestinians" (still hate speech) and NOW he's trying to say that he only meant "Hamas leadership"... but if you believe that you'll believe anything. He was quite clear in his choice of words and it's obvious what he meant. HE knows that it's hate speech too which is why he's tried so hard to "take it back" after being called out.
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The abortion debate is a debate. I happen to think that the "100% no questions asked pro life" approach is pretty abhorrent and totally wrong-headed (in that I don't think some people actually understand the potential harm, at all), but I can concede that it is nonetheless a debate.

Some of the things he's had to say about "Arabs" and Palestine is straight up hate speech. There's no two ways about it. The quote read out at 13m into the video:

"Israeli's like to build - Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage."

"The Palestinian Arab population is rotten to the core"


He said the first quote, then later tried to take it back and say he "only meant Palestinians" (still hate speech) and NOW he's trying to say that he only meant "Hamas leadership"... but if you believe that you'll believe anything. He was quite clear in his choice of words and it's obvious what he meant. HE knows that it's hate speech too which is why he's tried so hard to "take it back" after being called out.
He went to try and clarify but stated he did indeed mean Palestine. 'Just Pals and their allies'
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Old 11-05-2019, 06:30 PM   #29
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You believe it's hate speech, but he believes that he's calling out murder.

I think both sides of the argument on this issue have strong cases.

Hate speech is free speech
Shapiro is a hate preacher..sadly folks like you make him relevant.

when a man penertaes an 11yr old child and she becomes pregnant Shapiro believes she can not have an abortion .....again MAGA when men decide what a female can do with hewr body..Is it2019 or 1929
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Shapiro is a hate preacher..sadly folks like you make him relevant.

when a man penertaes an 11yr old child and she becomes pregnant Shapiro believes she can not have an abortion .....again MAGA when men decide what a female can do with hewr body..Is it2019 or 1929
His argument is that one crime does not excuse another, and the baby shouldn't be murdered due to the circumstances of its conception.
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His argument is that one crime does not excuse another, and the baby shouldn't be murdered due to the circumstances of its conception.
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His argument is that one crime does not excuse another, and the baby shouldn't be murdered due to the circumstances of its conception.
It sounds even worse when you put it like that. Also, murdered is a very strong word to use in this scenario.
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Old 11-05-2019, 10:09 PM   #33
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Shapiro is a hate preacher..sadly folks like you make him relevant.

when a man penertaes an 11yr old child and she becomes pregnant Shapiro believes she can not have an abortion .....again MAGA when men decide what a female can do with hewr body..Is it2019 or 1929
Just like you, I can call anybody in the World a hate preacher, if I wanted to, it doesn't make it a fact.

I've never seen Ben Shapiro spreading nasty slurs about you online, but I've seen nasty slurs about him from you. Makes you think doesn't it?
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Old 11-05-2019, 10:54 PM   #34
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Just like you, I can call anybody in the World a hate preacher, if I wanted to, it doesn't make it a fact.

I've never seen Ben Shapiro spreading nasty slurs about you online, but I've seen nasty slurs about him from you. Makes you think doesn't it?
Lime is exercising free speech but you don't seem to like it huh
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Old 11-05-2019, 11:02 PM   #35
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Just like you, I can call anybody in the World a hate preacher, if I wanted to, it doesn't make it a fact.

I've never seen Ben Shapiro spreading nasty slurs about you online, but I've seen nasty slurs about him from you. Makes you think doesn't it?
Oh my....go back in your comfort zone and complain about the Brown people in England...I would ask you why the hate preacher Shapiro would address me ...but you are to busy hating POC...the best thing for you to do is buy Steven Laxley a milkshake..

Don't forget ..I still rember you calling the Irish Thick Micks
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Oh my....go back in your comfort zone and complain about the Brown people in England...I would ask you why the hate preacher Shapiro would address me ...but you are to busy hating POC...the best thing for you to do is buy Steven Laxley a milkshake..

Don't forget ..I still rember you calling the Irish Thick Micks
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Lime is exercising free speech but you don't seem to like it huh
I don't understand you?

I don't have to like it, (that's the point of hate speech being free) but at the same time, I'm not asking for Lime to be censored, or the Police to pay a visit, because of Lime's opinions. I'd be against that.
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Oh my....go back in your comfort zone and complain about the Brown people in England...I would ask you why the hate preacher Shapiro would address me ...but you are to busy hating POC...the best thing for you to do is buy Steven Laxley a milkshake..

Don't forget ..I still rember you calling the Irish Thick Micks
You can call me a racist all you want, I'm not gonna stop you.
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Why are you so anti Ben Shapiro's religious beliefs?

How are you different to Tommy Robinson when he's anti somebody's religious beliefs?
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You believe it's hate speech, but he believes that he's calling out murder.

I think both sides of the argument on this issue have strong cases.

Hate speech is free speech
Science disagrees with claims of murder.

Outside of the womb, a 6 week old foetus cannot sustain life and it's not a sentient being, it's a bundle of cells and nothing more. If something is not sentient or capable of sustaining life (as in, it won't die instantly) then it's not alive. Life begins at birth, pro-lifers are hypocrites that care more about controlling women's bodies than the children that would be brought into the world as a result of archaic laws like the Georgia law.
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Why are you so anti Ben Shapiro's religious beliefs?

How are you different to Tommy Robinson when he's anti somebody's religious beliefs?
Tommy Robinson spreads hatred against all muslims, nobody here is spreading hatred against Jews. Once again you're ignoring the context to make silly claims that don't really achieve anything.

Shapiro is a twat that uses his religion as a shield and excuse. That's not hatred towards jews, that's just disliking one person who uses Judaism to validate his hateful opinions. If you think that's the same as Robinson spreading hatred then I'm not sure if anything can be said to help you understand.
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Tommy Robinson spreads hatred against all muslims, nobody here is spreading hatred against Jews. Once again you're ignoring the context to make silly claims that don't really achieve anything.

Shapiro is a twat that uses his religion as a shield and excuse. That's not hatred towards jews, that's just disliking one person who uses Judaism to validate his hateful opinions. If you think that's the same as Robinson spreading hatred then I'm not sure if anything can be said to help you understand.
So what do you want to happen to Shapiro?

Locked up?
Capital punishment?
Have is mouth stitched up?
Make him sit at the back of the bus?
Freedom to say what he wants?

Was is it you want?
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So what do you want to happen to Shapiro?

Locked up?
Capital punishment?
Have is mouth stitched up?
Make him sit at the back of the bus?
Freedom to say what he wants?

Was is it you want?
I personally would be happy with folk challenge his hate preaching.

i don't think he should be locked up.
Thankfully Andrew Neill did so ...and shock ..horror Shapiro melted
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I personally would be happy with folk challenge his hate preaching.

i don't think he should be locked up.
Thankfully Andrew Neill did so ...and shock ..horror Shapiro melted
He does get challenged, all the time, day after day.

But you calling him a names like "hate preacher" on a Big Brother forum serves no purpose but to try and make yourself feel morally better than people.

Your name calling, isn't an argument.
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And just to let you know, because you're blinded by your own ignorance, I'm far more of a fan of Andrew Neil, than I am Ben Shapiro, but I'm not a partizan witch-hunter who wants the blood and freedom taking away of people with opinions.
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So what do you want to happen to Shapiro?

Locked up?
Capital punishment?
Have is mouth stitched up?
Make him sit at the back of the bus?
Freedom to say what he wants?

Was is it you want?
What the hell are you raving about?
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What the hell are you raving about?
Yes! that's the question I'm basically asking you.
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And just to let you know, because you're blinded by your own ignorance, I'm far more of a fan of Andrew Neil, than I am Ben Shapiro, but I'm not a partizan witch-hunter who wants the blood and freedom taking away of people with opinions.
We can have opinions on people with opinions
Nobody is taking his freedom or his blood, chill out
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We can have opinions on people with opinions
Nobody is taking his freedom or his blood, chill out
They want his freedom and blood, not taking. Get things right if you're gonna butt in.
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(pokes nose in)

I just googled ďFree speechĒ and this was one of the first things that came up

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Freedom of Speech does NOT mean that a person can say whatever they want to say. Freedom of Speech means that someone's right to say something is protected within certain limits. A person may have to suffer consequences for saying some things, but they still have the right to say them. For example, it is against the law to yell, "FIRE," in a crowded place because someone may get injured. A person has the right to say it, but they also have the consequences.
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