[LeatherTrumpet]

• Pope Francis made the claims at a Vatican-sponsored anti-abortion conference
• He said: 'Is it licit to throw away a life or hire a hitman to resolve a problem?'
• Denounced decisions to abort because a human being is 'never incompatible with life'

Pope Francis has compared abortion to 'hiring a hitman' during a Vatican-sponsored anti-abortion conference.

He said abortion can never be condoned, even when the fetus is gravely sick or malformed.

He urged doctors and priests to support families to carry such pregnancies to term.


The Pope claimed his opposition to abortion was not for religious issues, but for human ones.

He said: 'Is it licit to throw away a life to resolve a problem?

'Is it licit to hire a hitman to resolve a problem?'

Francis disagreed with abortions done on grounds of prenatal testing which reveals problems with the fetus.

He said a human being is 'never incompatible with life'.

Francis has spoken out strongly against abortion, although he has also expressed sympathy for women who have had them and made it easier for them to be forgiven.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-message-field

[montblanc]

a catholic icon is anti-abortion? are we surprised?

[montblanc]

a telling people to “just carry pregnancies full term” is one of the most ignorant things anyone can ever say, ESPECIALLY when it comes from a man

[Liam-]

Maybe he should focus on doing something about the nonces he helps to protect rather than commenting on what women can and can’t do with their bodies, just a suggestion

[LeatherTrumpet]

the cover up of paedos on a worldwide scale and he says

"he has also expressed sympathy for women who have had them and made it easier for them to be forgiven."

[Mokka]

Well as long as we can be forgiven then ...

[Strictly Jake]

Can I just say whether you agree with his views or not...

On this thread people are calling catholics things like nonces, paedos and being generally negative about Catholics

I'm not Catholic myself but I am in a Christian religion and some of the names people call people is horrible

I think Christian opposition and persecution should be viewed as being offensive in the same way people find it offensive when stuff is said about Muslim religion etc

[Liam-]

Seeing as you’re obviously referring to me, i’ll respond..

I’m not calling catholic’s nonces, that would be dumb and offensive, I’m calling nonces who happen to be catholic priests nonces, there’s a major difference, let’s not pretend I’m being offensive tah. What’s offensive is people like Mr. Popey telling people what they should or shouldn’t do with their bodies when he’s failing to protect thousand of children all across the world and failing to persecute the people responsible for such things, hence why I said what I said.

Thanks.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Argentina: Pope Francis' home country is beginning to see an eruption of the scandal, with some cases even implicating failures by the pontiff himself.

Australia: A four-year national investigation found 4,444 people were abused at more than 1,000 Catholic institutions between 1980 and 2015. 7% of Catholic priests in Australia in 1950-2010 were accused of sexually abusing children.

Chile: Chilean criminal prosecutors have staged a series of raids on the church's secret archives to seize documents. They have opened more than 100 investigations into abusive priests.

Germany: The German Catholic Church concluded at least 3,677 people were abused by clergy between 1946 and 2014. More than half the victims were 13 or younger and most were boys. Every sixth case involved rape and at least 1,670 clergy were involved. 969 abuse victims were altar boys.

Ireland: Tens of thousands of children suffered wide-ranging abuses in church-run workhouse-style institutions.

U.S.: About 70 dioceses and religious orders have released lists of accused priests, according to BishopAccountability.org. Pennsylvania alone found 300 priests sexually abused at least 1,000 children since the 1940s. Prosecutors in more than a dozen states have opened similar investigations.

https://www.axios.com/catholic-churc...f0335cd1d.html

[armand.kay]

can't Catholics do whatever they like as long as they confess

[Niamh.]

Yeah tbf what Liam actually said was "The nonces he helped to protect" which is clearly referring to the multiple scandals to do with paedophile priests and other priests and higher covering their crimes up, that have come to light in recent years.

On topic maybe he should have a think about how he and the Catholic church could help support all these unplanned/unwanted babies after their born, as he's so eager for them to be born, rather than condemning the women who have abortions

[Strictly Jake]

I'm not saying I agree with what he is saying I'm just saying there are catholics and other Christians that only want good and view things like paedophilia as downright abhorrent I just don't want people thinking that everyone is the same. I won't even begin to discuss my beliefs on this forum because you all shut them down straight away so thinking that there may be other Christian faiths and other catholics maybe joining the forum and seeing the stuff people call them will put them off

By all means disagree with the views but just be mindful too. A lot of terrorists are Muslim but we wouldn't bring up a thread about a Muslim belief and then say offensive stuff about them being terrorists etc because we should realise that not everyone is the same. I just think the general attitude on this forum is to completely disregard religion and religious people slag them off call them names etc and not being open to the fact other people do have a belief in God and the bible

After all we are a forum that should be open to everyone

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by ShakeyJake10

Can I just say whether you agree with his views or not...

On this thread people are calling catholics things like nonces, paedos and being generally negative about Catholics

I'm not Catholic myself but I am in a Christian religion and some of the names people call people is horrible

I think Christian opposition and persecution should be viewed as being offensive in the same way people find it offensive when stuff is said about Muslim religion etc

Wouldn’t you say that a large number of Catholic priests being child molesters and covering it up for untold years was far worse?

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Maybe he should focus on doing something about the nonces he helps to protect rather than commenting on what women can and can’t do with their bodies, just a suggestion

Word

[Strictly Jake]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Wouldn’t you say that a large number of Catholic priests being child molesters and covering it up for untold years was far worse?

Of course yes

Don't know why I even pipe up on the serious debates topics

I just hate the downright negative view of all religious beliefs on here. As for the priests etc that's because of them being downright disgusting and not following the bible

But those that have beliefs and follow the rules of the Bible shouldnt always be shot down. But that's all I'm gonna say

[Marsh.]

Actually took longer for the usual attack on Christians.

You're actually improving TiBB.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Wouldn’t you say that a large number of Catholic priests being child molesters and covering it up for untold years was far worse?

Why does it have to be one or the other?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Actually took longer for the usual attack on Christians.

You're actually improving TiBB.

Has anyone attacked Christians, though, or just pointed out that the Catholic Church leadership (specifically) has helped to cover up countless incidents of abuse? Isn't that just a flat statement of fact?

[Niamh.]

Yep to echo TS, no one has attacked Catholics despite the accusations in this thread; they've simply pointed out that the Pope shouldn't be condemning something he sees as a crime (which is not) whilst staying deafeningly quiet on actual crimes within the institution he leads

[Marsh.]

So he can't comment on or give an opinion on anything again due to a separate issue? Ok.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So he can't comment on or give an opinion on anything again due to a separate issue? Ok.

Well he shouldn't... I get it's his job to provide a stance, but that stance is nullified to the general public when he refuses to be honest, upfront in addressing the greater issue in the institution he upholds. It greater alienates the Catholic church.

[Marsh.]

It's not really nullified. It's his stance.

Shouting over everything he says with "BUT pedo priests!!" kind of nullifies any discussion about any serious topic.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's not really nullified. It's his stance.

Shouting over everything he says with "BUT pedo priests!!" kind of nullifies any discussion about any serious topic.

It's a huge glaring issue that is going to overshadow the entirety of the catholic church until it's open, until prosecution happens, until compensations are made...and until measures are taken to prevent it continuing.

That all aside, I'm never going to be Catholic, so what he says about abortion doesn't affect me. What is happening in America with abortion is the real travesty. Lawmakers making it illegal ... again... is where our attentions should be

[Marsh.]

Well exactly. His opinion is just added to the pile of everyone else's.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well exactly. His opinion is just added to the pile of everyone else's.

Unfortunately his opinion is part of the religious propaganda steering the American states making it illegal. So yes, his opinion dies count for more to some people.
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