[Tom4784]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJVqs_mhOA4&t=204s

Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez recently described the Migrant detention centers as concentration camps and when you watch interviews like that (Also this BBC article comes with a clip from another inspector interviewed about condition, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJVqs_mhOA4&t=204s) it's difficult to deny that she's right.

Malnourished children that aren't being taken care of, that aren't being provided with soap or anything to help their hygiene and that are expected to take care of younger children instead of being cared for by adults. Sick children are placed in isolation with little to no supervision and the laws that prevent the border services from releasing these children into the custody of their parents or guardians is not being followed either. By all accounts these camps are disregarding the Flores Agreement completely.

There's also the aspect that a lot of children are being purposely mislabeled as unaccompanied by the border services when they crossed with their parents, a year on from when the story first exploded and families are still being split up en mass. It's gross negligence, it's incredibly inhumane and it's hard to believe that this is happening to potentially thousands of children in captivity in these camps.

The current administration has bought shame onto the US and it's so grim to see relatively recent mistakes repeated on mass. Considering the US's crimes against Japanese/American people during and after WW2, this story sends a bitter message that, ultimately, history will inevitably repeat itself.

[arista]

Yes Wrong Word to call it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps
The only Contraction camps
were killing everyone


Congress has to get Soap and Tooth brushes
for these Illegal children.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Wrong Word to call it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps
The only Contraction camps
were killing everyone


Congress has to get Soap and Tooth brushes
for these Illegal children.

Completely wrong there, Arista. The US itself employed concentration camps against Japanese american citizens. People don't have to die for it to be a concentration camp.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Completely wrong there, Arista. The US itself employed concentration camps against Japanese American citizens. People don't have to die for it to be a concentration camp.

Yes during WW2.


But Everyone saying it is the Nazi owned word
a big error for the Democrats to use that term.
Debated on Bill Maher Show
SkyAtlanticHD /HBO Sunday

[GiRTh]

Dezzys right. They're classed as interment camps which is the same thing.

[bitontheslide]

it's a collection of captives in a small area known as a camp .... a concentration of people if you will .... hence ... concentration camp

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Dezzys right. They're classed as interment camps which is the same thing.

Why not just call them that then?
Instead of the daily star like headline.

[Matthew.]

[Ammi]

...what she’s describing/the conditions of the facilities ...is not something we would ever have associated with the Western world...the USA has always been the leader of the Western world as well ...and so called ‘civilisation’...Trump shames those children, he shames his country...’...land of the free and the home of the brave...’...there is no bravery in targeting children...he’s a despicable human being/power abuser, who does because he can...

[arista]

They are called Detention Camps

[Ammi]

...when what they’re called becomes the thing, Arista...as opposed to what happens within them atm...then it’s a very sad world...children are not just being detained...they are being detained in horrendous conditions and some have lost their lives ...

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by arista

They are called Detention Camps

That’s what Trump and his Cronies want them to be called.

[Liam-]

I personally don’t care what they’re called, what I care about is that there are innocent children being held against their will, away from their parents in horrendous conditions, the Trump administration is now even arguing that they shouldn’t have to be made to let these kids wash and brush their teeth, it’s inhumain and they should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, but they won’t be because they’re ghouls who just see these kids as stains on the US, it’s deplorable, I genuinely would be surprised if the kids are put to work next.

Everyone involved should be put in prison for crimes against humanity as far as I’m concerned.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...what she’s describing/the conditions of the facilities ...is not something we would ever have associated with the Western world...the USA has always been the leader of the Western world as well ...and so called ‘civilisation’...Trump shames those children, he shames his country...’...land of the free and the home of the brave...’...there is no bravery in targeting children...he’s a despicable human being/power abuser, who does because he can...

He was legally voted into office like our politicians who as links in the chain allowed child sex grooming gangs to molest vulnerable girls for years.

We are part of the problem, humans giving power to humans to rule over humans.

It’s a lottery as which human you are.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...what she’s describing/the conditions of the facilities ...is not something we would ever have associated with the Western world...the USA has always been the leader of the Western world as well ...and so called ‘civilisation’...Trump shames those children, he shames his country...’...land of the free and the home of the brave...’...there is no bravery in targeting children...he’s a despicable human being/power abuser, who does because he can...

I agree totally.

It's really distressing the news about this.

As to what these camps are called, just put inhumane in front of camp.
It seems to describe the conditions and regime perfectly.

[Livia]

While the use of the term 'concentration camp' is factually correct, the use of the term is deliberately provocative. It intimates that these people are going through the same thing that people in WW2 concentration camps suffered and that simply isn't true. What's more, the use of the term diminishes it.

All that said...

Keeping people- any people - in those conditions is inhumane. If they really intend not allowing them in, then send them back. Keeping them penned in like animals is despicable and shames the USA as a country.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

While the use of the term 'concentration camp' is factually correct, the use of the term is deliberately provocative. It intimates that these people are going through the same thing that people in WW2 concentration camps suffered and that simply isn't true. What's more, the use of the term diminishes it.

All that said...

Keeping people- any people - in those conditions is inhumane. If they really intend not allowing them in, then send them back. Keeping them penned in like animals is despicable and shames the USA as a country.

Yes only the Democrats use that term.
and Left Wingers on USA TV do not like it.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Why not just call them that then?
Instead of the daily star like headline.

Because I don't believe in using the term that the US coined to make their concentration camps in WW2 seem less then they were. Asian Americans were placed in concentration camps, that's the long and short of it.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

While the use of the term 'concentration camp' is factually correct, the use of the term is deliberately provocative. It intimates that these people are going through the same thing that people in WW2 concentration camps suffered and that simply isn't true. What's more, the use of the term diminishes it.

All that said...

Keeping people- any people - in those conditions is inhumane. If they really intend not allowing them in, then send them back. Keeping them penned in like animals is despicable and shames the USA as a country.

Concentration camps predate WW2 though, they were used against Native Americans in the 1800's, in Africa as well.

While the term is most commonly associated with the Nazis, I don't think we should refrain from using it when it fits and it fits the definition here.

For almost ten years before Trump's administration, there wasn't a single child death in border custody, now there's been at least 7 we know about and that's not even touching on the death rate of adults. People are dying in these places.

[Oliver_W]

They're not imprisoned, they're free to leave at any time.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

They're not imprisoned, they're free to leave at any time.

Source? I was under the impression they were awaiting trial so must be under arrest.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

They're not imprisoned, they're free to leave at any time.

incorrect

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

incorrect

If they decide they no longer wish to migrate to the USA, they can go home.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If they decide they no longer wish to migrate to the USA, they can go home.

They're under arrest, they cant go anywhere.

[Oliver_W]

+ of course they're not concentration camps, what is AOC drivelling about?

People aren't being imprisoned for their ethnicity, people attempting to cross the border are being held for processing; they're not being starved of resources as a punishment or because they're being killed soon, there's just so many trying to break in that there it's hard to meet the demand.