[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Go read about it, I have.

I'd be interested to look at this, do you have a link?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

Gay people weren't allowed to be in the army well into the eighties. Back then you had to sign to say that you understood it was unacceptable to be gay in the armed forces and you would thrown out if it was found you were gay. Women also had to sign a piece of paper to say that if they got pregnant they understood they would be required to leave immediately. Things have changed, thank God.

They have. Although there was a survey lately showing acceptance towards lgbt actually going down. Worth watching

Not allowing gay ex concentration camps prisoners to parade with others was a low and mean blow

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

They have. Although there was a survey lately showing acceptance towards lgbt actually going down. Worth watching

Not allowing gay ex concentration camps prisoners to parade with others was a low and mean blow

Yes, that was a low blow, but attitudes have changes since the 80s.

My Dad was a soldier back in the 80s. There was a lad in his battalion who was gay. Everyone knew, not many cared, but it was a deathly secret because if it had got out, he would have been thrown out.

I wish Turing could have somehow known how future generations would see him.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Go read about it, I have.

Ive tried looking...I believe the gay part...but ex POWs? ..I can't find anything about it.

[Twosugars]

This is as late as 1997 when they were still not allowed to parade with others.
When I have more time I'll find the link I saw last year

http://outrage.org.uk/1997/11/queer-remembrance-day/

Nearly 300 lesbians and gay men attended a Ceremony of Remembance at the national war memorial, the Cenotaph, in London, on Sunday, 2nd. November. They were commemorating lesbian, gay, and bisexual people who died fighting Nazism and who perished in the concentration camps.

The ceremony was organised by OutRage!, who declared Sunday, 2nd. November “Queer Remembrance Day”.

The keynote speaker was 74-year-old Sharley McLean, a lesbian who fled to Britain as a refugee from Nazi Germany in 1939. Her gay uncle, Kurt Bach, was arrested by the Gestapo in a gay bar in Berlin in 1937, and died in Sachsenhausen concentration camp.

After the speeches, there was a minute’s silence. Then dozens of pink wreaths and bouquets were laid on the Cenotaph.

The commemoration was denounced by the ex-services association, the British Legion, as “distasteful” and “offensive”, and “bound to offend many former soldiers”.

Gay war veterans are never acknowledged by the ex-services association or by the official state-sponsored Remembrance Day ceremony. At least 250,000 gay people served in the British Armed Forces during 1939-45. The current ban on homosexuals in the military is an insult to their service and sacrifice.

The huge media coverage of Queer Remembrance Day has raised awareness about the contribution of lesbian and gay service personnel to the defeat of Nazism, and about the queer holocaust that has been suppressed by revisionist historians.

Coinciding with a campaign by the German SPD and Green parties, OutRage! has written to Chancellor Helmut Kohl, urging him to:

Apologise for the Nazi persecution of gay people
— successive German governments have always refused to apologise
Compensate gay holocaust survivors
— gays are denied compensation on the grounds that they were ‘common criminals’
Remedy the deficit in gay survivors’ pensions
— the service of SS guards is added to their pension entitlement; but the years spent in the camps by gays is dededucted from their pensions
Put on trial the Nazi doctors who were involved in barbaric experiments on gay concentration-camp prisoners

[Denver]

As nice as it is who even uses 50 notes?

[parmnion]

Got anything on ex POWs not being allowed to take part in these memorial parades?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Got anything on ex POWs not being allowed to take part in these memorial parades?

“Until the mid-1980s, it was forbidden to lay a pink triangle wreath at the Cenotaph in remembrance of the LGBT victims of fascism and of LGBT service personnel who fought to defeat Nazism. The wreaths we laid were swiftly removed. She helped me and others overturn the wreath ban.
“Prior to the late 1990s, the Royal British Legion refused to acknowledge that LGBT people has served and died in the armed forces. It would not allow a LGBT war veterans contingent to march in the official Remembrance Day parade.

https://lgbthistorymonth.org.uk/shar...ean-1923-2013/

if you want more, do you own research, I have no time to post more links for you

[Twosugars]

Turing was a tragic figure. Persecuted for homosexuality after the war, chemically castrated and refused security clearance and dropped by the government.
Eventually committed suicide.

Arguably his work might have saved the most lives ever saved by an individual.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Ive tried looking...I believe the gay part...but ex POWs? ..I can't find anything about it.

use logic, if gay veteran soldiers were banned from marching how POWs would be allowed since they were veteran soldiers that got captured?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

use logic, if gay veteran soldiers were banned from marching how POWs would be allowed since they were veteran soldiers that got captured?

I'm confused!!

You said ex POWs were not allowed to March or attend these ceremonies prior to sometime in the 80s....I don't believe that at all...I've looked for news on it but like it said I can't see anything so I'm asking for clarification now as to who or what you meant!

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I'm confused!!

You said ex POWs were not allowed to March or attend these ceremonies prior to sometime in the 80s....I don't believe that at all...I've looked for news on it but like it said I can't see anything so I'm asking for clarification now as to who or what you meant!

No gays were allowed in official parades commemorating the wars
What's not to understand?
I dont believe you're confused

[Twosugars]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/...ahartleybrewer

Gays plan 'queer' Cenotaph tribute
Julia Hartley-Brewer

Sat 13 Nov 1999 02.17 GMT

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Gay campaigners protesting on behalf of the "forgotten" homosexual war dead will join former servicemen and women at the Cenotaph for the Remembrance Day service tomorrow.
Homosexual veterans and activists for gay and lesbian rights yesterday condemned the Royal British Legion as "homophobic", claiming the veterans' organisation has refused to acknowledge the sacrifices made by gay people during the second world war.

They plan to follow the main ceremony and two minutes' silence with a special "queer remembrance day" service, with gay campaigners marching directly behind war veterans laying wreaths of poppies at the Cenotaph, but instead holding pink flags and laying pink triangle wreaths before observing another minute's silence.

Peter Tatchell, the Outrage campaigner, who will join the ceremony, accused the British Legion of excluding the partners of gay war veterans from the official Remembrance Sunday parade, while welcoming the widows and widowers of heterosexuals in military service.

He said: "The Royal British Legion refuses to acknowledge that an estimated 500,000 lesbian, gay and bisexual people served in the armed forces during the second world war. Accounting for about 10% of enlisted strength, queer military personnel made a significant but still unrecognised contribution to the defeat of Hitlerism."

During the gay service, a short oration will be delivered by Ray Harvey-Amer, 64, a homosexual veteran who served as a nurse in the Royal Navy from 1957. He said: "There were a lot of gay men and lesbians who did a very good job of fighting the Nazis but were terrified to be out and proud about their sexuality."

The service was arranged after an approach to Outrage by the partner of a gay serviceman who had recently died, who claimed the British Legion told him he could not join the widows and widowers on the parade past the Cenotaph because same-sex partners were not recognised.

The legion denied homophobia. Retired Lieutenant Colonel Bobby Hanscomb, assistant secretary, said: "There isn't a policy. We have never excluded anybody from the service as it is a national event representing everybody."

He added: "I don't think it is right to make a political point at a ceremony to mark the deaths of 1.7m people. We are just anxious the dignity and solemnity of the occasion will be given proper regard."

https://uk.lush.com/article/qa-peter-tatchell

During the 1980s you battled to allow pink triangle wreaths to be placed outside The Cenotaph War Memorial at Whitehall, can you tell us a little bit about the history of the pink triangle and what it represents?


Until the mid-1980s there was an unofficial ban on the laying of pink triangle wreaths at Britain’s main war memorial The Cenotaph. For many years, we had laid wreaths but they had always been removed within a few hours. The Royal British Legion denounced pink triangle wreaths as an insult to the war dead. It refused to allow a gay veterans contingent to march in Remembrance Day parades. It was only in 1985, on the 40th anniversary of VE day, that the government finally relented and allowed us to lay pink triangle wreaths

[arista]

[The design of the Bank of England's new £50 note,
featuring the computer pioneer and
codebreaker Alan Turing, has been revealed.
The banknote will enter circulation on 23 June,
which would have been the mathematician's birthday.
It will be the last of the Bank's collection to switch
from paper to polymer. In keeping with
Alan Turing's work, the set is its most secure yet.

Old paper £50 notes will still be accepted in shops for some time.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56503741

[arista]

Originally Posted by Denver

As nice as it is who even uses 50 notes?

I do on Big Contracts

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

I do on Big Contracts

Not seen one for a while, send me one Arista

[Toy Soldier]

Know what's going to be really weird? Charles' big ol' mug on banknotes. We're all likely to live to see King William banknotes too - although maybe banknotes won't exist at all in 20 years?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Denver

As nice as it is who even uses 50 notes?

Bookies and mid-range (£300 - £1000 per bet) gamblers. I had a Chinese customer who would ONLY bet with £50 notes, because "red is lucky".

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Know what's going to be really weird? Charles' big ol' mug on banknotes. We're all likely to live to see King William banknotes too - although maybe banknotes won't exist at all in 20 years?

Never even thought of that

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Never even thought of that

Yeah The Queen has been around so long that not many people now will remember any note that didn't have Queen Liz 2 on it, so I think we all just... think of that as being "what money looks like" and forget that it'll change .

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Bookies and mid-range (£300 - £1000 per bet) gamblers. I had a Chinese customer who would ONLY bet with £50 notes, because "red is lucky".

Lucky Red.

[MTVN]

Wonder how long it'd actually take for Charles to start appearing on notes and coins after becoming king, I guess the Queens currency would still be dominant for a long time. Something like the £50 note and 1p/2p coins I doubt they'd bother redesigning at all as both would be the first currency to be phased out if we were moving cashless

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Wonder how long it'd actually take for Charles to start appearing on notes and coins after becoming king

Probably longer than his potential reign.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Know what's going to be really weird? Charles' big ol' mug on banknotes. We're all likely to live to see King William banknotes too - although maybe banknotes won't exist at all in 20 years?

Do you think Charles will get a go? I could almost see the Queen out living him

Great news for Alan Turing just a shame he was treated so horribly while he was alive though

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Wonder how long it'd actually take for Charles to start appearing on notes and coins after becoming king, I guess the Queens currency would still be dominant for a long time. Something like the £50 note and 1p/2p coins I doubt they'd bother redesigning at all as both would be the first currency to be phased out if we were moving cashless

You may be.


Millions will Not.