[Livia]

Just for clarity, God told Abraham to cut his foreskin, and his sons' and his servants' as an everlasting covenant in their flesh.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s been going on for thousands of years and will continue.

The human race is primitive we should be ruled by a computer that only understand stands logic and right from wron without any other factors being considered like religion.

It may well happen

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Livia

Just for clarity, God told Abraham to cut his foreskin, and his sons' and his servants' as an everlasting covenant in their flesh.

No he did not, a man wrote that so that one tribe could be identified with no error to protect them from intruders. superstition was used to coerce people into mutual agreement.religion was the method that primitive man used to get large groups of people to do things - prior to religion this was impossible.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No he did not, a man wrote that so that one tribe could be identified with no error to protect them from intruders. superstition was used to coerce people into mutual agreement.religion was the method that primitive man used to get large groups of people to do things - prior to religion this was impossible.

If that's what you believe, then fine. I don't suppose you have any more actual evidence than I have. So it comes down to faith.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

prior to religion this was impossible.

False.

[Twosugars]

It's funny how god used to communicate all the time until he stopped
You'd think there'd be so much more pointless instructions to pass ( you shall not use Microsoft products only Apple) but no, silence....

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

Just for clarity, God told Abraham to cut his foreskin, and his sons' and his servants' as an everlasting covenant in their flesh.

King of moderation
Could have asked for an eye or a leg

[joeysteele]

There are a number of reasons why it may be done.
Obviously any medical reason is important.

However, it does have a faith element.
It's not for me not being of the Muslim or Jewish faith to condemn the rite.

It is a vital part of those religions and while it may seem bizarre to those of no faith.
To those religions it's very important.

So I'd rather respect those religions rites myself.
They believe it's part of a covenant.
A matter of deep faith.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

It's funny how god used to communicate all the time until he stopped
You'd think there'd be so much more pointless instructions to pass ( you shall not use Microsoft products only Apple) but no, silence....

There's been countless "prophets" down the centuries. It's just down to which religion believes them or not.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

There's been countless "prophets" down the centuries. It's just down to which religion believes them or not.

Prophets are not the same as direct word of.... God

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Prophets are not the same as direct word of.... God

The direct "words of God" came via prophets.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

There's been countless "prophets" down the centuries. It's just down to which religion believes them or not.

True but nothing lately, not for the major religions
Catholicism which I know most about, tends to have some visions of Mary in the last century, but she doesn't say anything fundamental
But haven't heard of recent accepted prophets who say, look, god says we do this or that and the whole major religion buys it
As if people of god became sceptical when it comes to these things. They buy the ancient stuff but nothing new is added

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

True but nothing lately

Phil down the road has a conversation with God every Friday. Nobody pays attention these days.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I agree with this, and livias post upthread too. But did not want to 'what about' in a thread about male circumscision, given I complain about whatabouts everywhere else

Yeah, 'MGM' is nothing like FGM. FGM is utterly utterly barbaric and cannot really be compared to circumscision. Mind, I do not think that parm was doing that. But I guess even terming it MGM is..comparing it in a way. As you said.

I do disagree to no downsides of circumscision though tbh. There might not be physical downsides, but I have read hundreds of accounts of blokes really pissed off and upset about their parents removing part of them without consent. So there are mental downsides it seems.

All I can say to this is "I hope uou and dezzy watched the programme."

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well yeah, technically tattos and pericings and stuff atre mutiliation. But I do think people should be able to do what they like with their bodies (within reason) when its a free choice.

I bet that young jew lad wanted to be a jew 8 days in, now that he's grown up.

But no...he was denied the opportunity to what he wanted with his body.

[Livia]

How many Jewish or Muslim men are complaining about this? I'm pretty sure it should be up to the parents, or where are you going to stop?

[Kizzy]

Well in fairness should anyone do anything like this to a member of the public how would it be viewed?...It would be quite rightly against the law.

[Livia]

If my Baby is born a boy, I hope you all have the number for my local Children's Services, it's in County Hall Norwich, PM me for more details just so you're equipped with all the info. And it's not like there are any other children in the country suffering abuse, sexual, physical, at the hands of those who are supposed to nurture and protect them; kids plonked in front of a telly all day, yet more kids born into already poverty-stricken families... We'll let that slide though because well... religion... it's like, stupid, innit. Let's obsess about children born to loving parents who have faith. They're the real b*stards.

[Oliver_W]

"Mutilation" is a strong word, especially as they're better after

Using mutilation also equates it with FGM, which is disgusting and there's absolutely no justification for.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

How many Jewish or Muslim men are complaining about this? I'm pretty sure it should be up to the parents, or where are you going to stop?

Why?

I get that it traditionally has been, but why must it continue?

[Withano]

Imagine spending 100 years of your life dedicated to religion, living without sin and spreading the word of the God that turns out to be real. You die and your soul floats up to heaven and God’s all like “ew no you have foreskin bye”

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Why?

I get that it traditionally has been, but why must it continue?

Who's going to judge who is a good parent? You?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

Who's going to judge who is a good parent? You?

This doesn’t even nearly answer the question I asked.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Imagine spending 100 years of your life dedicated to religion, living without sin and spreading the word of the God that turns out to be real. You die and your soul floats up to heaven and God’s all like “ew no you have foreskin bye”

You're hilarious.

FYI, Jews don't believe in heaven and hell. You know nothing of my faith and you're going to judge my parenting skills based on just that.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're hilarious.

FYI, Jews don't believe in heaven and hell. You know nothing of my faith and you're going to judge my parenting skills based on just that.

Didnt even know you were a parent

You said you were pretty sure that foreskin should be a parental choice, and I asked why. Do you habe any single reason? I was simply curious