[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/amazon-wi...lazes-11791386





Jair Bolsonaro the Far Right President is corrupt.

On Ch4HD news
it can get far worse

[Kazanne]

Those poor animals that are caught in there,what a pratt

[Oliver_W]

Where does it say the fire was started by farmers?

[Cherie]

probably suits him down to the ground, clearing the forests this way

[parmnion]

Pity one of the most important things the world needs to live is not as important to some rackety old church in France to our news channels.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

probably suits him down to the ground, clearing the forests this way

Deffo

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Pity one of the most important things the world needs to live is not as important to some rackety old church in France to our news channels.

Bc they can't cover both

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Where does it say the fire was started by farmers?

https://www.dw.com/en/brazil-forest-...zon/a-50116455

''So really, most of the forest fires in the Amazon are not natural forest fires, they are human-induced, usually by farmers and ranchers.''

[Oliver_W]

Whatever causes them, he really should be making sure there are measures in place to tackle them.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Whatever causes them, he really should be making sure there are measures in place to tackle them.

yes, as the amazone forest are the lungs of the earth

it should be Bolsonaro's number 1 priority to keep that safe, and save them from wildfires

[UserSince2005]

Everyone freaking out about this.

I have never heard anything about amazon forest fires in the past, and they are saying its a MASSIVE 84% increase. Over hyping the whole situation. What is 84% of something insignificant? Insignificant. Let me know when 84% is on fire (as the statistics are trying to miss lead) and then we will have something to talk about.

Also if I see another fake heat seeking map on my Instagram of South America I will burn my own ****ing tree.

#Kony2012.

[bitontheslide]

I think this should be looked at from Brazil's perspective.

For generations the west has moved ahead with industrialisation, clearing anything in its path and keeping developing nations firmly in their place stifling their growth. They never cared one bit what effect they were having on the environment and America and China still don't.

Now we are saying oops we may have messed up, I know what we can do, we can once again dictate to those nations what they can and cannot do.

The world doesn't work that way. We are not in the **** because Brazil has started cutting down trees and has had a few fires. We are in the **** because we said f you to everyone and caused the problem in the first place. We caused the problem, we should fix it and that certainly doesn't include telling the likes of Brazil what they have to do yet again.

[Oliver_W]

The Amazon produces 20% of the world's oxygen. That's pretty significant, making it everyone's business.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The Amazon produces 20% of the world's oxygen. That's pretty significant, making it everyone's business.

How about you tell me what percentage of that oxygen production has actually been lost?

0.000000000001%?

"There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics."

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Everyone freaking out about this.

I have never heard anything about amazon forest fires in the past, and they are saying its a MASSIVE 84% increase. Over hyping the whole situation. What is 84% of something insignificant? Insignificant. Let me know when 84% is on fire (as the statistics are trying to miss lead) and then we will have something to talk about.

Also if I see another fake heat seeking map on my Instagram of South America I will burn my own ****ing tree.

#Kony2012.

yes our biologist and nature ranger Arjen Postma said the same thing too, on our summer late night talk show

he dislikes the fact people are so easily panicked for a while, and then forgetting about it, and moving on to another crisis

while something serious like this amazon forest fire should be talked about and be dealt with, rather than just sharing it on social media, bringing it in attention for a short while and then moving on like nothing happened



this is that nature ranger here btw, he also has his own tv show, where he takes some of our celebs into the wild nature here, and respect nature a lot more, also surviving in nature, finding foods, sleeping in nature (so building a hut out of leafs and branches)

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The Amazon produces 20% of the world's oxygen. That's pretty significant, making it everyone's business.

Hold on there olly you're sounding like a bit of a lefty...

Of course i agree with you there, this saving the planet thing won't work unless every country participates in its salvation.
Poorer countries or those with corrupt governments like ours won't do that, all they want is filthy lucre and power.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hold on there olly you're sounding like a bit of a lefty...

Of course i agree with you there, this saving the planet thing won't work unless every country participates in its salvation.
Poorer countries or those with corrupt governments like ours won't do that, all they want is filthy lucre and power.

"Olly" ... piss off, I'm not a skateboard trick

I've consistently been pro-environment, regardless of otherwise being left or right

[Toy Soldier]

Well. To be controversial ... what IS a little reported scientific fact, is that grass creates more oxygen than the same area of trees. It's not exact, but it's often (falsely) reported that if an area of the Amazon is deforested then the world loses that area of oxygen creation / CO2 removal. If the area is replaced by grass - e.g. cattle grazing - then that's just not necessarily the case.

There ARE a whole host of things we lose when areas of the Amazon are destroyed of course but the "we need the oxygen" argument is over-played and inaccurate.

[Kizzy]

That's very commendable, looking at the news today and our govt response to the issue I'd say we're looking to cash in on this environmental disaster. It's now looking like Brazil is on schedule to be our new agribusiness supplier post brexit, reading between the lines.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Where does it say the fire was started by farmers?

That was from a report on CNN
New Farmers clear the land fast
with Fires for Cattle
More Beef etc.


CNN also found out the the Loggers are armed
with Rifles

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well. To be controversial ... what IS a little reported scientific fact, is that grass creates more oxygen than the same area of trees. It's not exact, but it's often (falsely) reported that if an area of the Amazon is deforested then the world loses that area of oxygen creation / CO2 removal. If the area is replaced by grass - e.g. cattle grazing - then that's just not necessarily the case.

There ARE a whole host of things we lose when areas of the Amazon are destroyed of course but the "we need the oxygen" argument is over-played and inaccurate.

That's a very dubious scientific fact ts.. leaves absorb CO2 and expel oxygen, trees leaves have a larger surface area for the area they inhabit than grass surely?
Also if the grass is for grazing how will it absorb anything if it's being eaten and farted out as methane?
Would hardly be a lush meadow would it?
Did the Brazilian govt produce the science there by any chance? :/

[Cherie]

For me the argument is the host of flora and fauna that are lost, and any subsequent habitat so its more or less ensured animals at least wont return for some time, to set these fires deliberately is beyond the pale

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's very commendable, looking at the news today and our govt response to the issue I'd say we're looking to cash in on this environmental disaster. It's now looking like Brazil is on schedule to be our new agribusiness supplier post brexit, reading between the lines.

Well theres a ****ing shock..

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think this should be looked at from Brazil's perspective.

For generations the west has moved ahead with industrialisation, clearing anything in its path and keeping developing nations firmly in their place stifling their growth. They never cared one bit what effect they were having on the environment and America and China still don't.

Now we are saying oops we may have messed up, I know what we can do, we can once again dictate to those nations what they can and cannot do.

The world doesn't work that way. We are not in the **** because Brazil has started cutting down trees and has had a few fires. We are in the **** because we said f you to everyone and caused the problem in the first place. We caused the problem, we should fix it and that certainly doesn't include telling the likes of Brazil what they have to do yet again.

Kind of agree with this too. Why we think we can dictate to the world is beyond me tbh.

'We should fix it' doesn't really work though, with the sheer scale of the issues. Even if every single person in the UK stopped flying, using cars, using plastic, etc etc..no difference would be made aslong as the likes of China and America go on the way they do, pumping huge amounts of chemicals into the air and that. Its terrifying really, but I do think we are past the point of no return now.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think this should be looked at from Brazil's perspective.

For generations the west has moved ahead with industrialisation, clearing anything in its path and keeping developing nations firmly in their place stifling their growth. They never cared one bit what effect they were having on the environment and America and China still don't.

Now we are saying oops we may have messed up, I know what we can do, we can once again dictate to those nations what they can and cannot do.

The world doesn't work that way. We are not in the **** because Brazil has started cutting down trees and has had a few fires. We are in the **** because we said f you to everyone and caused the problem in the first place. We caused the problem, we should fix it and that certainly doesn't include telling the likes of Brazil what they have to do yet again.

Yeah can't argue with that tbh, it is awful at all that's being lost over there but for the west to get on it's high horse and vilify Brazilians who are probably only trying to put food in their families mouths, for something that the west has done and thrived on in the past, it's just really really hypocritical and very unfair.

If we want places like Brazil to help us all by protecting the rainforests, than the west need to subsidise the farmers that are losing out to protect that rain forest

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah can't argue with that tbh, it is awful at all that's being lost over there but for the west to get on it's high horse and vilify Brazilians who are probably only trying to put food in their families mouths, for something that the west has done and thrived on in the past, it's just really really hypocritical and very unfair.

If we want places like Brazil to help us all by protecting the rainforests, than the west need to subsidise the farmers that are losing out to protect that rain forest

Would that be international aid? All the ' environmental crap' thats so popular.. we won't be contributing to the EU efforts to support developing nations now either :/