[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

Most things are in that game.

That says it all, really.

Anything that goes against your agenda is wrong, any experts that tell you differently are biased and have been paid off and you are the only uncorrupted font of knowledge in the world.... It beggars belief...

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That says it all, really.

Anything that goes against your agenda is wrong, any experts that tell you differently are biased and have been paid off and you are the only uncorrupted font of knowledge in the world.... It beggars belief...

Exactly, the only person I trust is myself.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

If you far-lefties are protesting this weekend, then behave yourselves.

They Don't

[arista]

Busy Tuesday next week
in Parliament , then.

[arista]

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

The people vs the establishment.

Who's side you on?

[arista]

A Fake Photo on Twitter

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Alf

Exactly, the only person I trust is myself.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That says it all, really.

Anything that goes against your agenda is wrong, any experts that tell you differently are biased and have been paid off and you are the only uncorrupted font of knowledge in the world.... It beggars belief...

Beggars belief is a bit outdated dezzy...this isn't 1979 mate...rather insulting term of phrase actually these days.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

What pain, Bruised ego's? Pret being closed down? No Polish or Romanians to do the housework for them and bring up their children.

Classist nonsense
Middle classes will be ok

Get ready for more non EU immigrants. Bet it will go down a storm with all the racists and xenophobes

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Classiest nonsense
Middle classes will be ok

Get ready for more non EU immigrants. Bet it will go down a storm with all the racists and xenophobes

I would like to research that claim...do you have a starting link about that, that I could begin from?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Joey, I just wish they would get on with it, its getting really annoying now , Isn't the queen for Brexit ? I heard his today,I am not too well versed on her duties tbh, I just thought that maybe why she said yes to Boris.

People speculate on what the Queen thinks Kazanne.
She in 60+ years on the throne has handled her duties very dutifully.

No matter the government or PM in power.

While a PM has not lost a vote of confidence in parliament.
She has to sign whatever the Commons and Lords pass.
She also has to agree to what her PMs advise or request.

If Corbyn, Swinson Farage or in this case Johnson had put this forward as a PM.
She'd HAVE to agree and sign it.
Vice versa too if they were asking the opposite, she'd HAVE to sign that too.

It's a figurehead Monarchy.
Sometimes in my view sadly so.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I would like to research that claim...do you have a starting link about that, that I could begin from?

Google is your friend. Research the clowns and farage statements on immigration
Not doing the basics for you

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Exactly, the only person I trust is myself.

But your opinion is based on information and data sourced by other people. So you have to trust other people and their information.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Beggars belief is a bit outdated dezzy...this isn't 1979 mate...rather insulting term of phrase actually these days.

1/10

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Beggars belief is a bit outdated dezzy...this isn't 1979 mate...rather insulting term of phrase actually these days.

So I see you have nothing to contradict what I'm saying, just faux outrage over a saying we all know you wouldn't care about if anyone else said it.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

Exactly, the only person I trust is myself.

You're a victim of the Trump effect, people now believe they can overcome evidence and truth by screeching 'Fake news!' at it. Facts are facts and the fact is that you don't know more about economy then all the people warning us about what will happen if we crash out of the EU. To make out that anyone who tells you something you don't want to hear is biased or corrupt is just wilful ignorance.

It's sad when people choose lies over the truth, this era in world history will inevitably be known as an era of ignorance in which people wilfully parted with their senses to engage in fantasy, where people are bringing back diseases that were mostly wiped out because they believe the lie that vaccines are dangerous over the truth, where people deny climate change and the fact we're heading towards an environmental collapse and would doom their own children to a life of suffering the consequences just to live in joyful ignorance for a little while longer.

It's truly worrying how far our world is regressing.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You're a victim of the Trump effect, people now believe they can overcome evidence and truth by screeching 'Fake news!' at it. Facts are facts and the fact is that you don't know more about economy then all the people warning us about what will happen if we crash out of the EU. To make out that anyone who tells you something you don't want to hear is biased or corrupt is just wilful ignorance.

It's sad when people choose lies over the truth, this era in world history will inevitably be known as an era of ignorance in which people wilfully parted with their senses to engage in fantasy, where people are bringing back diseases that were mostly wiped out because they believe the lie that vaccines are dangerous over the truth, where people deny climate change and the fact we're heading towards an environmental collapse and would doom their own children to a life of suffering the consequences just to live in joyful ignorance for a little while longer.

It's truly worrying how far our world is regressing.

And all this while the far right asserts itself around the globe.
Last time they seized power we had hitler, Mussolini and franco. Let's see what fresh calamities they produce this time before they are put back in their box.
Sad times indeed. People don't learn from history.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So I see you have nothing to contradict what I'm saying, just faux outrage over a saying we all know you wouldn't care about if anyone else said it.

What are you saying?

Is it that you listen to others on certain subjects, but then freely disregard others, on other subjects?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

And all this while the far right asserts itself around the globe.
Last time they seized power we had hitler, Mussolini and franco. Let's see what fresh calamities they produce this time before they are put back in their box.
Sad times indeed. People don't learn from history.

One thing we didn't have then was half the population of each country already on our shores.

[arista]

More Wasted Demos start outside Downing Street
today at mid day

[arista]

Spoiler:

Massive Photo
carrying the signs.


https://news.sky.com/story/protests-...ss-uk-11798480

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Alf

They're bias or payed to say what they're told. I'd say anything if the price was right.

An independent financial analyst's entire reputation, and thus their career, is based around making *correct* financial predictions. It's not just the high profile ones that are predicting huge problems, it's smaller day-to-day analysts. Do you honestly believe that hundreds of them are being "paid off" to falsely predict economic damage?

Its just illogical Alf. In theory they COULD all be wrong if there's some unknown factor that they've all been unaware of... But to suggest that they're all being deliberately dishonest is bizarre.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

An independent financial analyst's entire reputation, and thus their career, is based around making *correct* financial predictions. It's not just the high profile ones that are predicting huge problems, it's smaller day-to-day analysts. Do you honestly believe that hundreds of them are being "paid off" to falsely predict economic damage?

Its just illogical Alf. In theory they COULD all be wrong if there's some unknown factor that they've all been unaware of... But to suggest that they're all being deliberately dishonest is bizarre.

the whole point about the financial market is that it is all done based on the future price of an instrument at various points in the future. That's how they know there is a dip coming because the future has already happened

Across the entire financial industry it is a very accurate prediction

[Toy Soldier]

This is such a complicated issue to detach from really. In theory, if I was a lone wolf in the world, I'd be all for tearing up the establishment and trying to forge a new path. At heart *in isolation* I'm a bit of an anarchist... I always have been. That changes a bit when you have kids, and it changes a lot when you have a child with disabilities. Even short term disruption could have an absolutely devastating effect for us. But still, in principle, I get it: the old systems are broken.

Now...

That would be, if I thought the motivations behind it all WERE to tear up the corrupt neo-liberal system and create a better one in its place.

But I don't, not for a second. For the wealthy it's about vested interests and the huge profits they can make by stripping away the red tape and deliberately destabilising the economy. For the working class it's about anger, fear xenophobia and misplaced patriotism.

And the result will be a slightly broken system being replaced, indeed, but not by something better... Just by something louder.