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Old 17-09-2019, 01:00 AM   #1
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Default Saudi Arabia oil set on Fire by Iranian/Houthi Drone Attack

[The Houthis have launched attacks
on Saudi soil before,
including on oil pipelines.
But this attack was on a
much bigger scale, hitting the
world's biggest oil-processing
plant and another oil field.]





https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49721301

These Oil Zones will need Anti Drone Protection
by Saudi Arabia Army/Airforce.

USA has back tracked on their message
of Locked and Loaded.

Our Petrol will go up now.

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Old 17-09-2019, 04:39 PM   #2
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very close to war now

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The US has reportedly identified locations in Iran from which drones and cruise missiles were launched against major Saudi oil facilities on Saturday.

A senior official told CBS News that the locations were in southern Iran, at the northern end of the Gulf.

Saudi air defences did not stop the drones and missiles because they were pointed southwards, to prevent attacks from Yemen, the official added.

Iran denies involvement in the attacks, which disrupted global oil supplies.

Yemen's Iran-aligned Houthi rebels said they had launched the drones that struck the Abqaiq oil processing plant, the world's largest, and the Khurais oilfield.

They have attacked Saudi oil facilities before but US officials said on Sunday they believed the drones and missiles did not originate from the south or south-west, and instead were launched from the north or north-west.
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Yup, Trump needs to stay in power and he'll throw the world into war to do it.

I trust nothing that Saudi has to say about anything after they murdered a journalist in their own embassy and no one else should either.
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Yup, Trump needs to stay in power and he'll throw the world into war to do it.

I trust nothing that Saudi has to say about anything after they murdered a journalist in their own embassy and no one else should either.
Iran is an even worse country then Saudi, they lock random people up and accuse them of spying for no reason
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Iran is an even worse country then Saudi, they lock random people up and accuse them of spying for no reason
The last time we interfered with the Middle East, it led to the rise of IS. We shouldn't get involved, especially when it only benefits a murderous regime and an incompetent man's re-election campaign.
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Both countries should be exiled tbh
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The last time we interfered with the Middle East, it led to the rise of IS. We shouldn't get involved, especially when it only benefits a murderous regime and an incompetent man's re-election campaign.
Trump needs to know Iran are not gonna be walk overs like the other middle eastern countries were and have terrorist organisations as allies so he should stay clear if he as 1% brain
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Exiled from what?
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Exiled from what?
From business deals and both should be black listed to travelers as they are not safe countries to visit
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Trump needs to know Iran are not gonna be walk overs like the other middle eastern countries were and have terrorist organisations as allies so he should stay clear if he as 1% brain
He doesn't care about anything other than staying in power, he once suggested that Obama would try to start another war in order to get a second term and now that's exactly what he's angling for and he'll drag us into it.
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Best for us to stay out. But trump won't.
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Old 18-09-2019, 06:32 AM   #12
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Best for us to stay out. But trump won't.
Trump does not want a War,
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Trump does not want a War,
Of course he does, he's angling for one to stay in power.
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From business deals and both should be black listed to travelers as they are not safe countries to visit
As long they have their oil, we'll always seek business with them. It's naive to think anything will change while oil is still in play.
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Iran is an even worse country then Saudi, they lock random people up and accuse them of spying for no reason
Whereas liberal Saudi...
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Trump does not want a War,
He said the other day he was waiting for instructions from MBS. Remember when fox news killed Obama for showing respect and bowing to those Saudi's a few years ago? Well now they are silent when they are instructing the US's foreign policy.
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''locked and loaded, if Iran is behind saudi attack''

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''i don't want a war with anybody''


well president orange moron doing a 180 change of opinion in 1 day wow impressive
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''locked and loaded, if Iran is behind saudi attack''

and one day later


''i don't want a war with anybody''


well president orange moron doing a 180 change of opinion in 1 day wow impressive
lol, exactly, can't believe a word he says
a bit like our bojo the clown
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Of course he does, he's angling for one to stay in power.

No he soon confirmed a day after
no to a war out there
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no to a war out there
When it comes to pathological liars, words mean little.
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Parmnion told me off in a pm for not supporting trump in saying no to the war

I would if I didnt anticipate him changing his mind several times more.
In the end he will do what Israel wants him to do.
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Old 18-09-2019, 03:45 PM   #22
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Excellent opinion piece


The latest Iran-Saudi flare-up exposes Trump's bankrupt Middle East policy
Michael H Fuchs
End support for the war in Yemen, change the relationship with Saudi Arabia, and talk to Iran – the answers for the US are clear

The fact that the United States is up in arms over an attack with no reported casualties on an oil refinery in Saudi Arabia – while at the same time supporting Saudi Arabia’s war in Yemen that has killed tens of thousands – tells us everything we need to know about how messed up US priorities in the Middle East are.

If anything, the latest round of tensions between the US, Iran and Saudi Arabia – and the debate over whether or not to retaliate militarily against Iran – illustrates the many ways US policy in the region is bankrupt, and how Trump crafts US policy based on the interests of other countries, not America.

The years-long struggle for regional influence between Iran and Saudi Arabia and their partners plays out in proxy wars that rip the region apart, such as the current humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen. The US has taken Saudi Arabia’s side in this regional conflict, in which there is no “good side”, and in the process only exacerbated the tensions and violence.

Iran is a bad actor, and the United States already takes serious steps to curb its support for terrorism, and to defend Israel. But Trump is making the threat worse by ending the Iran nuclear deal and provoking Iran. We now find ourselves in yet another edition of Trump’s deadly reality show: will he or won’t he strike?! Will he or won’t he risk the lives of American soldiers in an unnecessary war?! Or will he try to manufacture another photo-op summit that does nothing but mask the real problems?! Tune into Twitter to find out! Like everything he touches, Trump has turned America’s Iran policy into a farce, while increasing the likelihood of tragedy.

Saudi Arabia, America’s longtime supposed partner, is also a bad actor. For too long America has stomached Saudi Arabia’s support for extremist ideologies, destabilizing policies, and repression at home. But Trump takes it to an extreme by seemingly outsourcing US policy to Riyadh. After the recent attacks, Trump literally said: “We are waiting to hear from the Kingdom [of Saudi Arabia] as to who they believe was the cause of this attack, and under what terms we would proceed.”

Jared Kushner must have done a facepalm – it’s supposed to be secret when Saudi Arabia’s crown prince, Mohammad bin Salman, sends his orders over WhatsApp! Trump summed up why he always sides with Riyadh, even after the Saudi leader ordered the murder of US journalist Jamal Khashoggi: “Saudi Arabia pays cash.”

One of the most devastating results of US policy has been the humanitarian disaster in Yemen. Because Saudi Arabia entered the war on one side, while Iran supports the other, the United States has blindly followed Saudi Arabia in fueling this conflict that is starving children and killing innocent civilians. The conflict has taken the lives of at least tens of thousands of people, and a United Nations panel recently said that all sides might be committing war crimes.

Israel – and Trump’s relationship with Benjamin Netanyahu – are at the center of this as well. Israel is a close and important ally, but Trump and Netanyahu have personalized, politicized and radicalized the US-Israeli relationship. While Trump attempts to use the relationship as a political wedge by falsely painting his opponents as enemies of Israel, Netanyahu pushes for conflict with Iran and takes steps that make peace with Palestinians all but impossible – steps that Trump openly supports. The two feed off each other and support one another’s agendas, which are bad for the relationship and bad for the region.

Since the end of the cold war, US policy in the region has been driven by numerous considerations: countering Iran, fighting terrorism, supporting stability, protecting oil markets, and defending Israel. While aspects of these policies were faulty long before this administration, today things are very different. Fossil fuels are destroying life in earth. Actions taken in the name of countering Iran often feed instability. Trump has warped our partnership with Israel into blind support for a self-destructive Israeli government.

In partnering with autocrats to fight terrorism the United States has sacrificed other priorities. The Arab spring, the war in Syria, and myriad other calamities have illustrated how tyranny in the region is fueling – not supporting – stability. And now, ties between Saudi officials and businesses and the Trump family raise serious questions about whether Trump’s Middle East policies are being driven in part by efforts to line his own pockets.

Whatever happens in response to this latest flare-up, the answers for the United States are clear: end support for the war in Yemen. Fundamentally change the relationship with Saudi Arabia. Talk to Iran about the entire range of concerns. Bring the sparring sides together to reduce regional tensions. Stop giving Netanyahu a blank check and return support for Israel to the principles of supporting democracy and a two-state solution. And stop supporting autocrats and start supporting the people.

While there is growing support to completely change America’s Middle East policy – evidenced by the bills ending US support for the Yemen war that passed Congress – US policy remains stuck in a rut: Trump vetoed these congressional attempts to end support for the Yemen war and every time tensions spike, too many voices on both sides of the aisle respond with the knee-jerk reaction of considering military action against Iran.

If America is going to make big changes to shore up the capacity of US leadership to tackle the biggest challenges it faces, one of the first orders of business will be to fix America’s bankrupt Middle East policy. Now would be a good time to start.

Michael H Fuchs is a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, and a former deputy assistant secretary of state for east Asian and Pacific affairs

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The current estimated cost of the Iraq war to the United States is over 1 trillion dollars. I can't fathom what they have to gain from war in Iran, and yet they seem to be gunning for it. There's something ****ing off about Western <--> Middle Eastern politics. I mean, obviously that goes without saying, but seriously off.
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Old 18-09-2019, 04:17 PM   #24
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Trump is not doing War
instead even more Sanctions on Iran.
Sad news for the Public of Iran,


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