[joeysteele]

He has apologised, it was apparently at an Arabian nights event..
He went as Aladdin.

Yes, unwise, misguided and not sensitive to the issues then or now.

Odd it's surfaced now, however this is politics now.

I agree with Ammi, he's apologised unreservedly.
He can't do any more than that.

It's now for that Country's voters to decide how big an issue this is for them.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He has apologised, it was apparently at an Arabian nights event..
He went as Aladdin.

Yes, unwise, misguided and not sensitive to the issues then or now.

Odd it's surfaced now, however this is politics now.

I agree with Ammi, he's apologised unreservedly.
He can't do any more than that.

It's now for that Country's voters to decide how big an issue this is for them.

Says it all really.
It was a themed party, had he been walking down the high street or attending parliament like that then it would warrant the attention and a sacking.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i view this in exactly the same light as when Gove was snorting coke and then cracking down on it when in power. The difference is that Trudeau is the leader of the nation. If he makes out that he is beyond reproach (which he has) then he must face the consequences when he is found out.

There are easy ways that he could have dealt with it. When he was running for office, he could have said he was not perfect etc etc, but he didn't, he came across as someone that was the perfect model citizen that everyone else should aspire to being. That was his usp for getting the job. Hence why it is much more of an issue now when he has been found out.

As Alf said, he has never black faced, neither have I. Why should Trudeau be considered a better person because he has supposedly changed his view now.

A previous murderer is always considered a murderer no matter how many years ago they committed the crime or how many "good deeds" they have done since

Where, where has he said he is beyond reproach or perfect? It is one aspect in a career, try to maintain some perspective please.
Nobody is suggesting he is a 'better person' than yourself or alf...you constructed this pillar and placed him on it bots :/

He didn't murder anyone...if you can't separate murder from theatrial misappropriation then that's your issue.

Thankyou for your reference to Gove it's a perfect comparison, law and order are pivotal to conservative values are they not? Then why was Gove snorting coke 10yrs before he became a minister and cracking down on others that do...He still has his job doesn't he, where's the impact on his career? Where's the screams of hypocrisy, has he not compromised his personal, professional and political ethics by breaking the law, what standard do we hold him to now?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

I actually don't care that he attended a fancy dress party 18 years ago. It's just funny to see these identity politics pushers get a taste of their own medicine.

I think I better stop wearing dark foundation Alf , I might get accused of racism,lol, it's all getting so stupid,like NONE of us on here have ever done anything dodgy when we were younger.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think I better stop wearing dark foundation Alf , I might get accused of racism,lol, it's all getting so stupid,like NONE of us on here have ever done anything dodgy when we were younger.

Jesus

Not even remotely similar to blackface and you know it

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Jesus

Not even remotely similar to blackface and you know it

That's how stupid all this is.

[MTVN]

It wouldn't be such big news if he didn't like to make out he's the most woke politician ever

29 years old, son of a Prime Minister and teacher at leading private school.. not exactly a naive youngster

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

What a racist.

He should probably resign. Don't think he will though, he likes his power too much.

He is up for Election in a month.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It wouldn't be such big news if he didn't like to make out he's the most woke politician ever

29 years old, son of a Prime Minister and teacher at leading private school.. not exactly a naive youngster

Yeah that's true enough

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It wouldn't be such big news if he didn't like to make out he's the most woke politician ever

29 years old, son of a Prime Minister and teacher at leading private school.. not exactly a naive youngster

Of course it would, that's how politics is now old pic.. old tweet.. how you eat a sandwich.
It's how you react that matters, if he'd have said 'meh' it seems that would have been more acceptable than issuing a full and frank apology :/

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

18 years ago. Come on ffs.

I will freely admit that some of the things I did and said 18 years ago were utterly horrendous. I mean yes, I was only 16 so I do have the "just a kid" excuse but tbqfh I wasn't all that much better in my early 20's.

I honestly believe that (not including actual criminal activity) people should only be judged on the last 5 or so years of their life, UNLESS it is clear that the person hasn't changed. Which is why people would be all over it if it was other prominent figures like Boris or Trump. You can imagine them doing the same thing tomorrow and thinking nothing of it.

But 18 years ago, people were saying "you can't do that in this day and age, it's 2001 for God sake"

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

But 18 years ago, people were saying "you can't do that in this day and age, it's 2001 for God sake"

Well yes it was around that time that's exactly what they did say and that's why since then it's rarely seen :/
Hence the apology.

[Alf]

What's the law on mud face packs, the ones you see ladies in spa's having, when their faces are made Brown with a slice of cucumber covering each eye, does that break the Brown face law? Are people allowed to take offence to that?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm thinking of the Jim Davidson 'chalky' character, the use of 'tradition' as an excuse in the UK.
Also views like these...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffi...03de942972eaa/

Was he advising others how not to discriminate 18yrs ago, should his politics now make his past actions worse? As Ammi said is it not proof he's learnt and grown from his experience enough to now want to advise others today rather than scoff at the suggestion it's wrong or offensive?

Jim Davidson must be in his 70s and he is a 'comedian' and his Chalky act as you said was in the 70s this guy is the same age as you and me more or less, he did this in 2001! he was brought up in a political household, you would think he would know better? would you have blackfaced 18 years ago?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

What's the law on mud face packs, the ones you see ladies in spa's having, when their faces are made Brown with a slice of cucumber covering each eye, does that break the Brown face law? Are people allowed to take offence to that?

No

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Jim Davidson must be in his 70s and he is a 'comedian' and his Chalky act as you said was in the 70s this guy is the same age as you and me more or less, he did this in 2001! he was brought up in a political household, you would think he would know better? would you have blackfaced 18 years ago?

Well he never blacked up for that character either, it's the attitude to blackface was reacting to.
As said it was a character performance and on the cusp of acceptability in relation to cultural appropriation so I'm not sure.
Was it insensitive? In hindsight yes, has he issued an apology? Yes, Do I think it's a reason to oust him from his position? No.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well he never blacked up for that character either, it's the attitude to blackface was reacting to.
As said it was a character performance and on the cusp of acceptability in relation to cultural appropriation so I'm not sure.
Was it insensitive? In hindsight yes, has he issued an apology? Yes, Do I think it's a reason to oust him from his position? No.

I have never mentioned ousting him from his position, but hypocrite does spring to mind, I don't think the fact that it was '18 years ago' which seems to be the over riding rebuttal for this has any bearing whatsoever

[Twosugars]

Aladdin wasnt even black though was he? He was Arabian

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I have never mentioned ousting him from his position, but hypocrite does spring to mind, I don't think the fact that it was '18 years ago' which seems to be the over riding rebuttal for this has any bearing whatsoever

I didn't say you had ...that is the feeling in the media this morning however.
Who is a hypocrite him or me? ... Social and cultural attitudes change, people can change too they mature, learn and grow in that time no matter how old they are or what political experience they've had. 18 years is almost a generation. * Diversity and inclusion lesson 1.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I didn't say you had ...that is the feeling in the media this morning however.
Who is a hypocrite him or me? ... Social and cultural attitudes change, people can change too they mature, learn and grow in that time no matter how old they are or what political experience they've had. 18 years is almost a generation. * Diversity and inclusion lesson 1.

we are talking about Trudeau Kizzy, not about you, he was teaching at time time, very odd behaviour

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

What's the law on mud face packs, the ones you see ladies in spa's having, when their faces are made Brown with a slice of cucumber covering each eye, does that break the Brown face law? Are people allowed to take offence to that?

Well cucumbers aren't very happy Alf

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

we are talking about Trudeau Kizzy, not about you, he was teaching at time time, very odd behaviour

You did ask me whether I would have done the same cherie so your accusation wasn't clear.
Yes he was, as he's said at the time he didn't think it racist. . Now he does.
I think we're just going round in circles now.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's how stupid all this is.

No, your comparison was ludicrous, nobody has ever gotten offended by foundation, the attempt to try and simplify and excuse blackface is shocking.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No, your comparison was ludicrous, nobody has ever gotten offended by by foundation, the attempt to try and simplify and excuse blackface is shocking.

It's the same tactic as "You won't even be able to look at a girl soon" to try and excuse sexual harassment. Liken it to something stupid to try and minimise

[Oliver_W]

Who cares? He's cringey af and borderline embarrassing for Canada, but this incident shouldn't affect people's votes, it should come down to policy.

People who think he should resign are basically saying that if someone does one stupid thing, they should never work again. And saying that is pretty stupid.