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25-09-2019, 09:08 PM | #1 | |||
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I am utterly disgusted at the left using the memory of Jo Cox as scare tactics in a discussion about language used in parliament. .
When you stop and think, she died a few years ago and there is not a person alive that would still want her dead!..things have got even more stressed and divided in the few years since her tragic and very hurtful death...but nothing like that since in the UK. The left are using her memory to attack the right, using her as an example of what can happen with certain words used in parliament... |
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25-09-2019, 09:51 PM | #2 | |||
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It is a bit tacky to invoke a woman's murder just because people are typing words on a screen. If someone like Katie Hopkins mentioned Jo Cox in reference to the online "abuse" she probably gets, she'd be rightly dragged across the coals.
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25-09-2019, 10:15 PM | #3 | ||
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Bojo has sunk even lower today.
What a ****ing disgrace he is |
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25-09-2019, 10:18 PM | #4 | |||
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26-09-2019, 01:09 AM | #5 | ||
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We live in a world where Right Wing extremists and incels are often planning attacks on politicians and, more often then not, it's female politicians in particular that are targetted.
Leaders must be smart in the terminology they use, when you look at recent shootings in the US, the common link between most of them is that most of these shooters idolised and adhered to Trump's 'philosophies' and the language he uses resonated with them. When a person in power calls people traitors for not doing what he wants them to, when he uses terms of war to make out that Brexit is a battle situation and not an parliamentary procedure, he is inspiring the crazies to take action. When you downplay the emotions and fears of these MPs who have lost a colleague and know all too well how easily it could have been them, you're not defending the right wing, you're defending the extremists, you're downplaying what happened to Jo Cox and you're downplaying the very real threat of Right Wing terrorism because you see 'Right Wing' and you automatically jump to it's defense out of nothing more than tribalism. |
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26-09-2019, 03:05 AM | #6 | |||
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Yes Labour are Struggling and the Indie Party Women ex Conservative. |
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26-09-2019, 03:08 AM | #7 | |||
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Sure Its easy to attack a Female MP but keep dragging Jo Cox up is wrong |
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26-09-2019, 03:09 AM | #8 | |||
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26-09-2019, 05:07 AM | #9 | |||
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i think censoring words such as surrender is absurd.
However, I do think all sides of the house need to dial down the temperature of arguments a lot. It is all their raging and shouting at each other that incites anger and violence. They are not setting a good example. |
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26-09-2019, 06:30 AM | #10 | |||
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They are absolutely right, he knows full well what he's doing. The seeds of division he's sowing, its part of his people v parliament direction. Risking the safety and lives of the dissenting MPs by ramping up the pressure with these key phrases, to force them into the conciousness of the public via repetition and no doubt his friends in the media.
How many times did he repeat certain words? traitor, capitulation, surrender, treason? This was not an error, it's a calculated strategy, we have seen the horrific outcome of someone incentivised to extreme violence by right wing rhetoric. The MPs are right never to let the name of Jo Cox fade! It's not getting any better, far from it, now the call to arms for right wing extremists comes from our own prime minister... Many many members of parliament and their family are receiving abuse and death threats, they stood up and begged the PM to temper his language and his response was some nonsense word! I'm happy that the chair committed to dealing with the issue once the PM had scuttled from the chamber right before being challenged once more by Corbyn. If we turn a blind eye to this I see more attacks on MPs and due to his attitude and language the PM will be directly responsible!
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26-09-2019, 06:37 AM | #11 | |||
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in a democracy you are entitled express yourself however you see fit, and that applies particularly in the house of commons. If his speech is inciting hatred, then make him accountable for it. Use the laws that exist. Attempting to censor the use of certain common words is not the way to go about it, and it certainly isn't democracy |
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26-09-2019, 06:54 AM | #12 | |||
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The point wasn't specifically about whether or not anyone would still want to harm Jo Cox, it was about the Prime Minister using much of the same language as Jo Cox's killer used ("traitor" especially) with seemingly little regard for how this may impact on the death threats that female MPs from across the political spectrum have been getting ever since Jo's murder
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26-09-2019, 06:56 AM | #13 | |||
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It's almost through the looking Glass bizarre that its in any way acceptable to shout down frightened predominantly female MPs. His changing the name of the bill was tactical it was also childish. What if that happened regularly and tory bills on universal credit, bedroom tax and disability benefits were referred to as something else...The starve bill? The live in a box bill? The why won't you just die bill? Whichever way you look at it Johnson is not fit to be prime minister, he's in no way shape or form democratic. He's proved that time and again in his attitude to parliament and now also the supreme Court.
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26-09-2019, 06:58 AM | #14 | |||
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One Labour MP used "Traitor"
But that was not used by this PM that was Newspapers |
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26-09-2019, 07:05 AM | #15 | |||
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Was it any worse than corbyns silly woman comment that he lied about saying....and Boris didn't scuttle out the chamber..he left after sitting there for hours upon hours whilst his opponents didn't. .they all came back in together to attack a tired man as one...he did the right thing by leaving..probably hungry and desperate for the toilet....but it's easy to dress it up a Boris scuttling away if that's the narrative you want to put forward or force...it almost comes across as hateful and inciteful. ..
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26-09-2019, 07:06 AM | #16 | |||
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She said: “The prime minister has continually used pejorative language to describe an act of parliament passed by this house. We should not resort to using offensive, dangerous, inflammatory language for legislation we do not like.” Recalling the memory of her friend Cox, she said many MPs had received death threats. And let me tell the prime minister – they often quote his words, ‘surrender act’, ‘betrayal,’ ‘traitor’: we must moderate our language and it has to come from the prime minister first.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...-on-the-attack
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26-09-2019, 07:09 AM | #17 | |||
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we have had words like traitor and surrender in our vocabulary for centuries. One deranged man uses those words and they should never be used again? That's what people are basically saying. It's the height of stupidity.
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26-09-2019, 07:11 AM | #18 | |||
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No Kizzy We Must have a General Election to clear the decks. Both Sides of Parliament are Getting Death Threats |
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26-09-2019, 07:12 AM | #19 | |||
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The height of stupidity for me is accepting the prime minister if your county is deranged, but not being overly concerned by it.
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26-09-2019, 07:15 AM | #20 | |||
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Yet many of those shouting the loudest remain silent when a beheaded Boris is paraded across the papers. |
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26-09-2019, 07:16 AM | #21 | |||
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AFTER no deal is off the table... then that's when the consensus in the commons want an election.
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26-09-2019, 07:17 AM | #22 | |||
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The speaker made it very clear that all sides had received death threats.
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26-09-2019, 07:20 AM | #23 | |||
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26-09-2019, 07:25 AM | #24 | |||
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You correlated what i said to mean i dont want them dead, so I must want him dead?
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26-09-2019, 07:33 AM | #25 | |||
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It might have been helpful if theyd spoke up for their colleagues on the opposite benches last night then?
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