[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Alf

From now on, nobody is allowed to call Boris a racist or liar, because that's a bad tone of language, whether it's true or not.

Is that a fair compromise?

well i do feel some sympathy for Boris, especially when Farage and goons go on and on being against him, when they themselves have also got certain flaws

and Boris is still a better PM than Farage ever will be (cause those deluded brexit party idiots totally believe him becoming that)

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

From now on, nobody is allowed to call Boris a racist or liar, because that's a bad tone of language, whether it's true or not.

Is that a fair compromise?

Yes.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

The European commission has joined those reprimanding Boris Johnson for the language he used in the Commons last night about his opponent. This is what the commission’s spokeswoman, Mina Andreeva, said on the subject.

We would remind everybody that respect is a fundamental value in all democracies. It is the responsibility of each and every politician to uphold our values. History has shown us what happens when they are not respected.

Wise words from Europe

and they should butt out and stop trying to influence the british people

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

well i do feel some sympathy for Boris, especially when Farage and goons go on and on being against him, when they themselves have also got certain flaws

and Boris is still a better PM than Farage ever will be (cause those deluded brexit party idiots totally believe him becoming that)

We can't use language with a bad tone against anybody. Including Nigel Farage and Stephen Yaxley Lennon. We can't have one rule for one and a different rule for another.

That's the deal, you in?

Alternatively, people could stop crying about language and accept we all use it, and without it we'd make no progress in life.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

From now on, nobody is allowed to call Boris a racist or liar, because that's a bad tone of language, whether it's true or not.

Is that a fair compromise?

No because it's true :/

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Using a dead woman as a tool in a political argument is just vile. Honestly, I haven't read up properly on this yet, but it seems a common tactic and its horrendous.

Edited to add. IF it was in a 'we don't want something like Jo Cox's murder to happen again' then obviously its fine. If its in a 'stop/go through with Brexit, honour her memory!!11' then not, at all. My husband caught the back end of it and said it was the second, it might have started as the first. Not sure as I havent watched/read anything yet so maybe shouldnt comment.

She wasn't brought in as a tool at all.

They were complaining at the divisive inflammatory language used by the PM.
Since the referendum, MPs are getting serious threats.
Even death threats not just to them but their families too.

Jo was brutally murdered, during the referendum.
She was an MP.
A Labour MP.
Other Labour MPs were her close friends.
None of whom want another friend or any other MP of any party, brutally murdered.
As MPs in all Parties are getting worrying and even death threats.

However the PMs response to a woman rightly enraged at his inflammatory terminogy.
Was he'd never heard such humbug.

What's incredible and telling is that anyone finds that humerous.

I still shudder at Lee Rigby's brutal murder.
Worrying for those in all armed forces.

Jo Cox was an MP murdered just doing her job.
Naturally if anyone inflames tensions with terminology like, surrendering, capitulating, traitors, betrayers.
Of course it needs raising to remind people of what such language could lead to possibly.

From a PM it is and should be disgraceful.

Jess Philips has had horrendous threats against her even today.

Do we have to wait until another brutal murder of an MP happens.
Before those who'd just dismiss those really worrying about it.
Stop finding it humerous and seem to think a brutal murder of anyone, adult or child should not be kept in focus.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and they should butt out and stop trying to influence the british people

Tell that to trump too

[Vicky.]

I do agree with alf here, that if complaining about extreme language used against opponents, the left really have no leg to stand on here. The word nazi is flung around a fair bit, along with other extreme descriptions used for..well non nazis, simply stating right wing views can get you branded such.

I do agree the extreme language needs to go, and agree it could..empower more nutters like Rigby. But it needs to stop completely, not just from one side.

[Twosugars]

Bojo the lying clown is now a nasty lying clown

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and they should butt out and stop trying to influence the british people

Yes we don't want or need a voice or reason! We have trump!

listen to yourself.. butt out, what kind of adolescent jargon is that?
I'll add that to the list of people we can't take advice off experts, scientists, the EU

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Alf

We can't use language with a bad tone against anybody. Including Nigel Farage and Stephen Yaxley Lennon. We can't have one rule for one and a different rule for another.

That's the deal, you in?

Alternatively, people could stop crying about language and accept we all use it, and without it we'd make no progress in life.

how about no? and i'm all in for freedom of speech, and you just have bad tone language in political debates, especially when they get too heated up

and no way i am gonna say nice things about Farage, i'd rather eat my shoes

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

She wasn't brought in as a tool at all.

They were complaining at the divisive inflammatory language used by the PM.
Since the referendum, MPs are getting serious threats.
Even death threats not just to them but their families too.

Jo was brutally murdered, during the referendum.
She was an MP.
A Labour MP.
Other Labour MPs were her close friends.
None of whom want another friend or any other MP of any party, brutally murdered.
As MPs in all Parties are getting worrying and even death threats.

However the PMs response to a woman rightly enraged at his inflammatory terminogy.
Was he'd never heard such humbug.

What's incredible and telling is that anyone finds that humerous.

I still shudder at Lee Rigby's brutal murder.
Worrying for those in all armed forces.

Jo Cox was an MP murdered just doing her job.
Naturally if anyone inflames tensions with terminology like, surrendering, capitulating, traitors, betrayers.
Of course it needs raising to remind people of what such language could lead to possibly.

From a PM it is and should be disgraceful.

Jess Philips has had horrendous threats against her even today.

Do we have to wait until another brutal murder of an MP happens.
Before those who'd just dismiss those really worrying about it.
Stop finding it humerous and seem to think a brutal murder of anyone, adult or child should not be kept in focus.

Thanks for explaining a bit more joey. I probably should not have commented before reading/watching it all myself. Second hand accounts are not really the most reliable of sources, plus as I said, he only caught the end of it really..where he said boris walked out as basically, everyone was shouting at him,

I think the MPs need to chill the **** out in general though when 'debating'. Yeah, debating inspires passion in people, but it really seems they all just yell at each other and insult each other, its not really good to see those who are in charge of the country behaving like children.

[Niamh.]

I think the MPs need to chill the **** out in general though when 'debating'. Yeah, debating inspires passion in people, but it really seems they all just yell at each other and insult each other, its not really good to see those who are in charge of the country behaving like children.

Yeah it's weird and it's not just the UK either, I don't get why it's acceptable and expected of Politicians to behave like babies and fire insults at eachother. Why can't they be professionals like every other person who works have to do? It's weird

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I do agree with alf here, that if complaining about extreme language used against opponents, the left really have no leg to stand on here. The word nazi is flung around a fair bit, along with other extreme descriptions used for..well non nazis, simply stating right wing views can get you branded such.

I do agree the extreme language needs to go, and agree it could..empower more nutters like Rigby. But it needs to stop completely, not just from one side.

I and others ON the left on here were termed terrorist supporting red Nazis.
It's not just the left that uses that.

I on the left have NEVER used that word to anyone.
On or off here actually.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

how about no? and i'm all in for freedom of speech, and you just have bad tone language in political debates, especially when they get too heated up

and no way i am gonna say nice things about Farage, i'd rather eat my shoes

I agree with you, and I believe you don't have to say nice things, but I also think Boris should have that same right as you.

Keep your eye on these people, because they're trying to take away our right to criticise them. And that's not on for any of us.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and they should butt out and stop trying to influence the british people

Exactly Bots.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I and others ON the left on here were termed terrorist supporting red Nazis.
It's not just the left that uses that.

I on the left have NEVER used that word to anyone.
On or off here actually.

Well surely it goes without saying that not every single person on the left does this. But it seems a widespread problem.

And yeah, its not just the left. Both sides are at fault here. And it needs to end.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think the MPs need to chill the **** out in general though when 'debating'. Yeah, debating inspires passion in people, but it really seems they all just yell at each other and insult each other, its not really good to see those who are in charge of the country behaving like children.

Yeah it's weird and it's not just the UK either, I don't get why it's acceptable and expected of Politicians to behave like babies and fire insults at eachother. Why can't they be professionals like every other person who works have to do? It's weird

Quite. I cannot imagine any other group of prosessionals behaving like this, especially when they know its being filmed and the public are watching.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Quite. I cannot imagine any other group of prosessionals behaving like this, especially when they know its being filmed and the public are watching.

I know, it's embarrassing

[arista]

[MTVN]

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You quoted me?... Did you mean the MPs last night upset at receiving death threats would be silent if Johnson was attacked? Sorry that's an equally pathetic view.

No, I'm saying they wern't vocal the other week when that bloke went on stage with a severed Boris head...imo that was more incite full than words like surrender.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Who is this Neil Coyle ? what a foul mouthed individual he is ,is he one of the ones talking about language, I mean humbug is far worse than his rant here isn't it ? what a hypocrite.

[Kizzy]

Well.. at least that exchange wasn't in the commons :/
It just goes to show though that the right leaning commentators are fighting to get this spun around so the accusers are seen to be the ones at fault and not the accused!!
I stand by those MPs who brought Jo Cox name into the discussion.. it's apt and relevant,are we all just meant to forget her, or how and why she died?

No way, Boris is wrong and he needs to take the shame all this they're both as bad as each other...no they are not!
Nobody in that house of commons has been as insulting or offensive. Nobody.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well.. at least that exchange wasn't in the commons :/
It just goes to show though that the right leaning commentators are fighting to get this spun around so the accusers are seen to be the ones at fault and not the accused!!
I stand by those MPs who brought Jo Cox name into the discussion.. it's apt and relevant,are we all just meant to forget her, or how and why she died?

No way, Boris is wrong and he needs to take the shame all this they're both as bad as each other...no they are not!
Nobody in that house of commons has been as insulting or offensive. Nobody.

I think Boris handled that question poorly ftr but it's being deliberately misrepresented now with Jess Phillips saying he described Coxs murder as 'humbug' - that wasn't the case. He was disagreeing with her claim that using the term 'surrender bill' and Coxs murder were in any way connected. She also tried to claim that Boris used the word 'traitor' which he has never used