[Cherie]

I don't get the .. I will laugh in their faces when x and y are cut and I can't wait to rub their noses in it, I thought lefties were suppose to care deeply about their fellow man, I doubt anyone thought they were voting against their own interests by not voting Labour, they voted for what they thought was in their best interests obviously, whether it will pan out to be that remains to be seen

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't get the .. I will laugh in their faces when x and y are cut and I can't wait to rub their noses in it, I thought lefties were suppose to care deeply about their fellow man, I doubt anyone thought they were voting against their own interests by not voting Labour, they voted for what they thought was in their best interests obviously, whether it will pan out to be that remains to be seen

totally agree its bitter and nasty and is undemocratic

[arista]

Nicky Morgan keeps culture job and gets peerage

["The Rt Hon Nicky Morgan has been
confirmed as Secretary of State
for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport,
" is the latest announcement
from Downing Street.]

Lucky Her,

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by arista

Nicky Morgan keeps culture job and gets peerage

["The Rt Hon Nicky Morgan has been
confirmed as Secretary of State
for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport,
" is the latest announcement
from Downing Street.]

Lucky Her,

I thought she was going to quit.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I thought she was going to quit.

she did quit as an mp. She is going to the unelected house of lords and retain a cabinet position. Good work if you can get it

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

she did quit as an mp. She is going to the unelected house of lords and retain a cabinet position. Good work if you can get it

Very nice.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't get the .. I will laugh in their faces when x and y are cut and I can't wait to rub their noses in it, I thought lefties were suppose to care deeply about their fellow man, I doubt anyone thought they were voting against their own interests by not voting Labour, they voted for what they thought was in their best interests obviously, whether it will pan out to be that remains to be seen

I care deeply about public services and the NHS and this vote has shown that most voters simply do not. There's nothing I can do now about anything but you can be sure that when the worst happens and the tory voters that allowed it to happen starts to feel the burn, I will make sure they know they did this to themselves. It's about accountability. I'm not going to hug a tory voter that's basically voted for the decimation of the public services when it happpens, I'm gonna let them know that they got what they voted for.

It would be lovely if it's all sunshine and rainbows and I'm wrong, but I'm not going to be wrong. I wasn't wrong about Brexit being a ****show, I wasn't wrong about the damage the Tories have done since Brexit and before and I won't be wrong now because I pay attention to the facts and the facts have never supported the Tories. Hopes and prayers mean jack**** when the NHS is on it's last legs, there's not enough funding for the police to effectively do their jobs and you've got people killing themselves on benefits because a system that's supposed to help them is entrapping them in a vicious cycle.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

totally agree its bitter and nasty and is undemocratic

It's undemocratic to voice an opinion? Is that what you're choosing to go with? Really?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't get the .. I will laugh in their faces when x and y are cut and I can't wait to rub their noses in it, I thought lefties were suppose to care deeply about their fellow man, I doubt anyone thought they were voting against their own interests by not voting Labour, they voted for what they thought was in their best interests obviously, whether it will pan out to be that remains to be seen

Lefties are meant to care deeply? Is that opposed to right wingers that don't give a ****?...
Turkeys voting for Christmas springs to mind, yes we will see cuts will be hard and deep they have the votes to get anything they want through. They'll make the bedroom tax look like a Christmas present!

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Lefties are meant to care deeply? Is that opposed to right wingers that don't give a ****?...
Turkeys voting for Christmas springs to mind, yes we will see cuts will be hard and deep they have the votes to get anything they want through. They'll make the bedroom tax look like a Christmas present!

Sorry, what?

Stop insulting genuine voters

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Sorry, what?

Stop insulting genuine voters

I'm still confused as to why a supposed SNP voter is defending a regime that inherently opposes the SNP's M.O. For someone who tried to attack me over democracy, you'll never get the democratic vote that Scotland is crying out for, that you supposedly voted for, by defending tories.

Making out that being displeased with the Tories is somehow undemocratic is a very odd stance for an SNP voter to take since being displeased with the Tories is a large part of why the SNP are so successful.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm still confused as to why a supposed SNP voter is defending a regime that inherently opposes the SNP's M.O. For someone who tried to attack me over democracy, you'll never get the democratic vote that Scotland is crying out for, that you supposedly voted for, by defending tories.

Making out that being displeased with the Tories is somehow undemocratic is a very odd stance for an SNP voter to take since being displeased with the Tories is a large part of why the SNP are so successful.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm still confused as to why a supposed SNP voter is defending a regime that inherently opposes the SNP's M.O. For someone who tried to attack me over democracy, you'll never get the democratic vote that Scotland is crying out for, that you supposedly voted for, by defending tories.

Making out that being displeased with the Tories is somehow undemocratic is a very odd stance for an SNP voter to take since being displeased with the Tories is a large part of why the SNP are so successful.

I don't like insulting people for having different views . It's why I expose your hateful views each day and those who apologise for you.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm still confused as to why a supposed SNP voter is defending a regime that inherently opposes the SNP's M.O. For someone who tried to attack me over democracy, you'll never get the democratic vote that Scotland is crying out for, that you supposedly voted for, by defending tories.

You can like a party and its leader without agreeing with every single aim it has

You can also like more than one party, but you only get one vote.

You can also dislike a party but think droning on about how evil and nasty its voters are is a bit distasteful.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You can like a party and its leader without agreeing with every single aim it has

You can also like more than one party, but you only get one vote.

You can also dislike a party but think droning on about how evil and nasty its voters are is a bit distasteful.

Indeed Olli. I lived in London for 15 years. I can support west ham and rangers. Members need to open their minds and not be so closeted and Partizan. I hope my inclusive political approach will be an inspiration for members like Two Dezzy. That's us my hope, going forward

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I don't like insulting people for having different views . It's why I expose your hateful views each day and those who apologise for you.

Remember when you made out that a child with aspergers was troubled because you didn't like her environmental message? You do not have the moral highground so stop trying to use it.

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You can like a party and its leader without agreeing with every single aim it has

You can also like more than one party, but you only get one vote.

You can also dislike a party but think droning on about how evil and nasty its voters are is a bit distasteful.

That's a cop out and it doesn't make sense, SNP and the Tories are as far removed as you can possibly get. SNP is essentially an anti-tory party for a lot of Scottish voters. It'd be like supporting the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party, they represent polar opposites and you cannot reconcile the two.

LT is on the defensive when it comes to the Tory party, I've not seen him voice much support at all for the SNP's goals but plenty of support for the Tories since the election and from before. It just doesn't add up.

He questioned me about my vote and my beliefs and when I answered and asked him the same, he ran away from the discussion and has avoided it since and now he accuses me of being 'nasty' for pointing out a discrepancy that he refuses to acknowledge.

[James]

I think people here are forgetting the SNP are an actual nationalist party.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Sorry, what?

Stop insulting genuine voters

Hey I'm a lefty I'm supposed to care ...but I'm trying really hard not to.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Indeed Olli. I lived in London for 15 years. I can support west ham and rangers. Members need to open their minds and not be so closeted and Partizan. I hope my inclusive political approach will be an inspiration for members like Two Dezzy. That's us my hope, going forward

So you support brexit and are against brexit?

Pull another one

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Indeed Olli. I lived in London for 15 years. I can support west ham and rangers. Members need to open their minds and not be so closeted and Partizan. I hope my inclusive political approach will be an inspiration for members like Two Dezzy. That's us my hope, going forward

Or rather... your political leanings and your opinions change depending on the thread?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by James

I think people here are forgetting the SNP are an actual nationalist party.

And they vehemently oppose the Tories which is why I made the comparison between Lib Dems and the Brexit Party.

SNP is synonymous with the desire for Scottish independence and it's become the de facto anti-tory party in Scotland. I do not think it's possible to genuinely support both them and the tories. Their ultimate goals, as it stands, are ultimately opposed.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by James

I think people here are forgetting the SNP are an actual nationalist party.

Precisely

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's a cop out and it doesn't make sense, SNP and the Tories are as far removed as you can possibly get. SNP is essentially an anti-tory party for a lot of Scottish voters. It'd be like supporting the Lib Dems and the Brexit Party, they represent polar opposites and you cannot reconcile the two.

Which policies of the SNP clash most with the Tories?
Obviously apart from Brexit and Scottish independence - I doubt the SNP are a single issue party when they're Scotland's main party.

From what I've heard hear and there, they're fairly centre-right, and (apart from independence and Brexit) nothing from the SNP would be out of place in the current Tories.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And they vehemently oppose the Tories which is why I made the comparison between Lib Dems and the Brexit Party.

SNP is synonymous with the desire for Scottish independence and it's become the de facto anti-tory party in Scotland. I do not think it's possible to genuinely support both them and the tories. Their ultimate goals, as it stands, are ultimately opposed.

Bit rich from a died in the wool Lib Dem voter like you are

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Indeed Olli. I lived in London for 15 years. I can support west ham and rangers. Members need to open their minds and not be so closeted and Partizan. I hope my inclusive political approach will be an inspiration for members like Two Dezzy. That's us my hope, going forward

Again with the political/sports comparisons. Parties are not teams to support and pledge loyalty to. It's a dangerous cultish attitude to have towards politics that should be completely discouraged.

You can't support polar opposite stances on issues, it's simply not possible. You are being disingenuous.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Again with the political/sports comparisons. Parties are not teams to support and pledge loyalty to. It's a dangerous cultish attitude to have towards politics that should be completely discouraged.

You can't support polar opposite stances on issues, it's simply not possible. You are being disingenuous.

You don't understand sport, it's ok but others do