[UserSince2005]

Just watching the news over the past weeks and I hear so many opinions of people from both sides

Labour voters are always so negative about their sorry financial state, their bad health, the services in their town not having enough money spent on it, how they need more support and just generally how hard their lives are.

Tory voters talk about the future and the hopes for the success of the country.

Why is this?

[The Slim Reaper]

One side is trying to tell you what problems exist, the other side doesn't want you to notice what they've done for the last 10 years.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

One side is trying to tell you what problems exist, the other side doesn't want you to notice what they've done for the last 10 years.

Maybe thats it. to be fair. I just think if Labour had been more positives and not harp on about all the negatives of life then they might have done better.

There was no clear future plan with labours campaign

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Maybe thats it. to be fair. I just think if Labour had been more positives and not harp on about all the negatives of life then they might have done better.

There was no clear future plan with labours campaign

I think labour ran a pretty positive campaign on the things they wanted to implement, you don't set yourself apart from your opponents without pointing out what they've destroyed in a decade.

Corbyn - "I want to thank the amazing tory government for all the new food banks we have now"

Better?

[LeatherTrumpet]

labour ran such a bad campaign that a lot of their voters voted conservative

now if that isnt damning enough, well it is

[GoldHeart]

Jeremy Corbyn tried his best , he had the worst hate campaign against him and he still tried to stay positive.

The strong labour policies were there , but Brexit crap dominated things.

On the news people sound MAD confused ,they're moaning about things being privatised and working class communities not being helped yet they still VOTED for Johnson .

This is like twilight zone!

[Marsh.]

Are you basically asking why people who are being sh*t on left right and centre WHY they're being negative about it?

Good grief.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Maybe thats it. to be fair. I just think if Labour had been more positives and not harp on about all the negatives of life then they might have done better.

There was no clear future plan with labours campaign

So you prefer fairytales to reality.

Ignorance is bliss.

[Oliver_W]

This year's election was similar to the Trump v Hillary, in that someone who would normally be laughed off stage looked credible thanks to their awful opponents.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

This year's election was similar to the Trump v Hillary, in that someone who would normally be laughed off stage looked credible thanks to their awful opponents.

Nothing makes Boris appear credible.

[bitontheslide]

i think people are entitled to be annoyed when their political beliefs are not being implemented. If people think it's bad now, they should have been there when Maggie was re-elected. Passions ran very high

However, a week or 2 after the election, it's best to accept the realities of democracy and manage the best you can. Nothing lasts forever.

[arista]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Jeremy Corbyn tried his best , he had the worst hate campaign against him and he still tried to stay positive.

The strong labour policies were there , but Brexit crap dominated things.

On the news people sound MAD confused ,they're moaning about things being privatised and working class communities not being helped yet they still VOTED for Johnson .

This is like twilight zone!

He went too Hard at it.
Avoiding the real public
only selecting Labour Voters.
Pathetic

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Just watching the news over the past weeks and I hear so many opinions of people from both sides

Labour voters are always so negative about their sorry financial state, their bad health, the services in their town not having enough money spent on it, how they need more support and just generally how hard their lives are.

Tory voters talk about the future and the hopes for the success of the country.

Why is this?

Because tbf those complaints are genuine problems in the country.

Thousands of Tories and Labour voters (and countless of other parties supporters) have been living it rough over the past 4 or 5 years in particular, it imo is not a Labour issue but instead is a countrywide issue that Boris and his administration are gonna have to try and sort out, and that's not by Austerity but by investing.

The future of the UK is in trouble if the Tories don't learn from their mistakes, they've got at least another 5 years to finally get this right. And hopefully they will.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

One side is trying to tell you what problems exist, the other side doesn't want you to notice what they've done for the last 10 years.

No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by arista

He went too Hard at it.
Avoiding the real public
only selecting Labour Voters.
Pathetic

That's not true

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.

Ah, the good old ‘labour voters are scroungers’ rehtoric, horrific

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.

...many, many people work extremely hard for their whole life, Kaz...and still don’t earn enough on their salaries to be able to have ‘what they want’....

[Liam-]

It baffles my head that people begrudge kids in poverty being given a helping hand, disadvantaged families being given help to feed themselves, homeless people being helped off the street, families being given an opportunity to go out and earn for their families with free childcare, something they might not be able to do otherwise, nobody wants something for nothing, people want people to not have to suffer in the the 5th richest country in the world, in the 21st century, some people have to work multiple jobs to just scrape over the poverty line, Joe is that okay? where has our compassion as a country gone? There used to be a time where the British stuck together, now it’s a big old two fingers to anyone that isn’t deemed good enough, it’s shameful.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It baffles my head that people begrudge kids in poverty being given a helping hand, disadvantaged families being given help to feed themselves, homeless people being helped off the street, families being given an opportunity to go out and earn for their families with free childcare, something they might not be able to do otherwise, nobody wants something for nothing, people want people to not have to suffer in the the 5th richest country in the world, in the 21st century, some people have to work multiple jobs to just scrape over the poverty line, Joe is that okay? where has our compassion as a country gone? There used to be a time where the British stuck together, now it’s a big old two fingers to anyone that isn’t deemed good enough, it’s shameful.

its like charity organisations dont exist for you

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It baffles my head that people begrudge kids in poverty being given a helping hand, disadvantaged families being given help to feed themselves, homeless people being helped off the street, families being given an opportunity to go out and earn for their families with free childcare, something they might not be able to do otherwise, nobody wants something for nothing, people want people to not have to suffer in the the 5th richest country in the world, in the 21st century, some people have to work multiple jobs to just scrape over the poverty line, Joe is that okay? where has our compassion as a country gone? There used to be a time where the British stuck together, now it’s a big old two fingers to anyone that isn’t deemed good enough, it’s shameful.

...and at the time of year that we’re celebrating Christianity because we are a country of Christian values...of the innkeeper saying...yes, there is always room and there is always welcome...

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.

are you referring to the rich who manipulate markets to earn money for nothing and the hard working people who collect their pay checks every week?


There was nothing inherently wrong with things that labour were proposing. However it didn't come over as credible for so many reasons. It was a mess of giveaways with no strategic plan behind it other than things being for the many not the few which is such a disingenuous, meaningless phrase.

Look at the soviet union, things were for the many, not the few there, but always, always, always that's not how it ends up. There are always elites, it's human nature. Government is elites, so as soon as Corbyn became PM, he would have been an elite and leader of the few

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...and at the time of year that we’re celebrating Christianity because we are a country of Christian values...of the innkeeper saying...yes, there is always room and there is always welcome...

so you will be housing a few homeless this Christmas in you own house?

im pretty sure not one tibb member would even consider it for a nano second

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its like charity organisations dont exist for you

Oh that’s alright then, government doesn’t have to do it’s job and look after everyone in their country cause there are charities out there that do it for them, drivel, utter drivel, charities are there to help people that need it yes, they’re not there to subsidise the responsibilities of the government.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Oh that’s alright then, government doesn’t have to do it’s job and look after everyone in their country cause there are charities out there that do it for them, drivel, utter drivel, charities are there to help people that need it yes, they’re not there to subsidise the responsibilities of the government.

Exactly

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Oh that’s alright then, government doesn’t have to do it’s job and look after everyone in their country cause there are charities out there that do it for them, drivel, utter drivel, charities are there to help people that need it yes, they’re not there to subsidise the responsibilities of the government.

and all governments provide money to local authorities to deal with things like this, talk to your local councillor and volunteer to help?