[Scarlett.]

Didn't this happen last year?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Didn't this happen last year?

I actually thought the story sounded familiar as well

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

TO BE FRRR...

Animated shows like Family Guy, South Park (****ty wok? ), Rick & Morty etc. are made for and aimed at adults... they are explicitly NOT kids shows... whereas The Simpsons while it does have in-jokes aimed at adults, has always been aimed at families in a family-friendly time slot.

Leading me into my main point;

Is the stereotyping racist? Yes, objectively it undeniably is, that's the point. Should racial stereotyping be an acceptable part of parody/satire? YES absolutely it should... most people understand what satire is.

Or rather... most ADULTS understand what satire is.

So it's OK in entertainment aimed at adults.

I'm not conviced at all that it's suitable for shows that are aimed at "the whole family". So IMO The Simpsons does need to decide which it is... it can rebrand itself as NOT being for kids any more and a satire aimed at adults, or it can toe the line a bit more in terms of political correctness. Because tbqfh kids DON'T get the joke and buy into stereotypes as being literal, quite easily.

Simpsons was never entirely a kids show , it has pushed humour and some of the jokes are clearly aimed at older kids and adults. I don't know what the latest episodes are like , but they've always tried to play it safe and i've noticed with the censorship even little things that be be seen as rude or edgy has been cut out of simpsons episodes before watershed .

I would not class The simpsons as solely for children , yes kids watch it but so do adults . The Rugrats & pepper pig are kids shows .

And yes we all know Family Guy & South park are for adults( i'm not a big fan of family guy and i hate south park) , but plenty of youngsters and kids still watch them despite the humour and jokes being 18+ .

So you could argue that those tv shows are offensive and inappropriate and will reinforce daft stereotypes ??? yet those seem to be fine ?? .

[Nicky91]

yes i can also remember a thread like this being there last year

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Didn't this happen last year?

Yes it was in the news
last year.
Of Course then Hank
went on many talk shows
trying to make the story more fair.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Groundskeeper willie the angry scotsman is voiced by an american guy who also does the voice of Krusty the clown who's raspy voiced and jewish . Should they also be axed??? . What about bumble bee man the slapstick hispanic character ? . Or Dr Hibbert a black guy who's actually voiced by a white guy?

it's interesting how Simpsons is bearing the brunt , what about other tv shows with more edgier borderline humour? . family guy with the japanese news reporter

Youtube video

Willie and Krusty are white characters voiced by a white man, Hubert's not exactly a stereotype and while Bumble Bee man isn't great, he hasn't caused controversy amongst mexican people while people of indian descent have taken issue with Apu.

Cartoon Network once banned Speedy Gonzalez cartoons in the 90s out of fear of offending mexican people but in truth, Speedy Gonzalez was a very popular character in Mexico and there was a successful campaign in Mexico and other latin countries to reinstate the cartoon. There's been no such outrage about the Bumble Bee man from mexican people from what I know of so there's not a problem there.

This isn't about 'PC gone mad' it's about people who are affected by a stereotype in a show that's aimed a general audience. Family Guy is not a kids' show, Tricia Takanawa is a satire based character that mocks stereotypes. The Simpsons has become a family show and like TS said, satire is a harder concept for kids to grasp so they'll take Apu for what he is without understanding the humour behind the character.

An indian stereotype character in a show made for all audiences has offended indian people and so they'll likely recast the role with an indian actor, that's all this story is. All the pretend outrage from white people about Apu is unneeded.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Didn't this happen last year?

no this is updated news

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/18/e...rnd/index.html

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Willie and Krusty are white characters voiced by a white man, Hubert's not exactly a stereotype and while Bumble Bee man isn't great, he hasn't caused controversy amongst mexican people while people of indian descent have taken issue with Apu.

Cartoon Network once banned Speedy Gonzalez cartoons in the 90s out of fear of offending mexican people but in truth, Speedy Gonzalez was a very popular character in Mexico and there was a successful campaign in Mexico and other latin countries to reinstate the cartoon. There's been no such outrage about the Bumble Bee man from mexican people from what I know of so there's not a problem there.

This isn't about 'PC gone mad' it's about people who are affected by a stereotype in a show that's aimed a general audience. Family Guy is not a kids' show, Tricia Takanawa is a satire based character that mocks stereotypes. The Simpsons has become a family show and like TS said, satire is a harder concept for kids to grasp so they'll take Apu for what he is without understanding the humour behind the character.

An indian stereotype character in a show made for all audiences has offended indian people and so they'll likely recast the role with an indian actor, that's all this story is. All the pretend outrage from white people about Apu is unneeded.

But most of the characters are stereotypes , the actor voicing Willie is not really scottish they just have the same ethnicity so surely scottish people could take offence to the angry scotsman stereotype??? .

Apu is a cartoon character, there's nothing offensive about him . But why does Bumblebee man get let off the hook ? with his "no me gusta" act and slapstick humour? . Just seems contradicting to me , and feels like people just want to make a fuss for the sake of it .

[Nicky91]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=350869

yep we were right

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=350869

yep we were right

no this thread is about the voice of Apu hanging up his pricing gun, the other thread was not about that

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no this thread is about the voice of Apu hanging up his pricing gun, the other thread was not about that

Yes my thread was more Crude
how Apu was Axed



This thread has some Depth.......

[Jigs]

If the character will remain unchanged I don't see why there is outrage over who voices him. Same character, same jokes, same stereotypes, being enjoyed by the same universal audience. If you'll allow people of all ethnicities to laugh at the stereotypes, I don't see the fuss over who tells the jokes.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But most of the characters are stereotypes , the actor voicing Willie is not really scottish they just have the same ethnicity so surely scottish people could take offence to the angry scotsman stereotype??? .

Apu is a cartoon character, there's nothing offensive about him . But why does Bumblebee man get let off the hook ? with his "no me gusta" act and slapstick humour? . Just seems contradicting to me , and feels like people just want to make a fuss for the sake of it .

There's nothing offensive to you, you have no right to declare that an Indian stereotype cannot offend Indian people.

The point is that they're recasting Apu because the Indian character offended Indian people. Scottish people aren't up in arms about Willie, Mexican people aren't angry about the Bumble Bee Man but Indian people have taken exception to Apu. That's the difference. They won't change anything else unless people who are affected by those stereotypes rise up about it.

Again, Bumble Bee Man hasn't caused a stink with Mexican people and, like in the Speedy Gonzalez example I posted, if the creators did assume that character was offensive to Mexicans and acted preemptively, it could create a bigger stink with Mexican people who may actually like the character.

It might just be a lot of 'fuss' to you but you're ultimately not affected it by it. You're outraged because you're taking the whole 'PC GONE MAD' angle.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jigs

If the character will remain unchanged I don't see why there is outrage over who voices him.

No-one is "outraged", it's just a stupid pointless change.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No-one is "outraged", it's just a stupid pointless change.

Plenty of Indian people are outraged about it, Oliver. It's not a stupid or pointless change to them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Plenty of Indian people are outraged about it, Oliver. It's not a stupid or pointless change to them.

And yet not one rang in this morning to any radio show that discussed this to complain, so as a snapshot of outrage, it feels like white saviour thing

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Didn't this happen last year?

That's what I was thinking.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I wonder how else could Apu have been portrayed as that character?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Plenty of Indian people are outraged about it, Oliver. It's not a stupid or pointless change to them.

Who? I've not heard of any. As much as I hate the term "SJW", it seems to be only white "SJWs" bitching about it.

There's nothing on their end to be offended about - he's a happy family man and business owner, nothing negative at all.

[Scarlett.]

Hmm, replacing him with an actual Indian voice actor sounds like a pretty good move, that way we keep the character, someone gets a new job, and the controversy is over.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Hmm, replacing him with an actual Indian voice actor sounds like a pretty good move, that way we keep the character, someone gets a new job, and the controversy is over.

Indeed; and I doubt the current guy would even get a pay cut, given that he voices other characters that are (other than the occasional episode) much more prominent than Apu.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Indeed; and I doubt the current guy would even get a pay cut, given that he voices other characters that are (other than the occasional episode) much more prominent than Apu.

Yep, its pretty much a win-win for everyone, sure Apu might end up sounding a little different, but I imagine the new VA would try to mirror Hank's perfomance, at least at the start.

[Ammi]

...it sounds like a unanimous decision that everyone is totally happy about...



"We all made the decision together... We all agreed on it. We all feel like it's the right thing and good about it."

[Jessica.]

I have always loved the character and I would fully support a switch to him being voiced by an Indian actor.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I have always loved the character and I would fully support a switch to him being voiced by an Indian actor.

...or a storyline around a complete change of voice is another possibility I’ve read...