[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You think white illiterate people did, so why not?

of course white people made those complaints


black people wouldn't complain since subject is their cause

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Congrats on taking the moral high ground after adding an imaginary letter of complaint...what did that add to the discussion?

No parm, you obviously wanted to trade insults and I just didn't want to go down that route.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

of course white people made those complaints


black people wouldn't complain since subject is their cause

It's no secret there are lots of black people against BLM Nicky. It's silly to assume every complainer was white. What about Asian, black etc. Though it's fair to say the majority were most likely white.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

No parm, you obviously wanted to trade insults and I just didn't want to go down that route.

You are wrong again...I posted a video to show it isnt always white people who are against blm after you posted dave from saffends letter, which you then decided to jump upon..

Stating what you thought my aims were..you posted this catty remark at the end of your first post to me..

"we can have that conversation, but I don't really think that's what you want"

You still foolishly hold that belief by the sounds of it, merely cause j posted a video showing a black person can be against blm as well..


You are the one with the problem mate.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Swan

It's no secret there are lots of black people against BLM Nicky. It's silly to assume every complainer was white. What about Asian, black etc. Though it's fair to say the majority were most likely white.

then they are hypocrites to be against their own cause

[Ammi]

...I’m not sure that I would consider equality of all a ‘cause’ as such...but yeah, it would be strange to think that someone/anyone would have a mindset of...no, our lives don’t matter so much, they’re a bit less than...

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I’m not sure that I would consider equality of all a ‘cause’ as such...but yeah, it would be strange to think that someone/anyone would have a mindset of...no, our lives don’t matter so much, they’re a bit less than...

well we need to fight the racists first of all, they need their karma

and BLM is good to fight racism

[AnnieK]

I agree with Ammi....I can't see members of the Black community disagreeing that Black Lives Matter, they may disagree with some of the actions of a small group of people but I would have thought to have any self worth they must agree that they deserve the equality

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I agree with Ammi....I can't see members of the Black community disagreeing that Black Lives Matter, they may disagree with some of the actions of a small group of people but I would have thought to have any self worth they must agree that they deserve the equality

the looting and vandalising is being done by undercover cops trying to bring down BLM

the small group of people who bring negativity onto the cause

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

the looting and vandalising is being done by undercover cops trying to bring down BLM

the small group of people who bring negativity onto the cause

[Tom4784]

Facepalm all you want, there's a pattern of vandalism and crimes committed at protests being done by white supremacists. In most places where protests turned violent, you can bet there was a white supremacist at the heart of it.

The vast majority of protests are peaceful because they aren't sabotaged.

[Tom4784]

Also you won't get many black people outside the likes of Candace Owens who only has a career so white republicans can be like 'look, we aren't racist, a black person agrees with us!' who disagree with BLM. It's the same with LGBT people, you have a number of gays in republican pockets simply because it makes them look less homophobic.

Right Wing commentators will say the lines they are paid to say but most others won't oppose BLM because they've lived experiencing why they need change.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Facepalm all you want, there's a pattern of vandalism and crimes committed at protests being done by white supremacists. In most places where protests turned violent, you can bet there was a white supremacist at the heart of it.

The vast majority of protests are peaceful because they aren't sabotaged.

Youtube video

All undercover cops and white supremacists? I know you wont watch, but it's pretty clear what's happening in the video.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You are wrong again...I posted a video to show it isnt always white people who are against blm after you posted dave from saffends letter, which you then decided to jump upon..

Stating what you thought my aims were..you posted this catty remark at the end of your first post to me..

"we can have that conversation, but I don't really think that's what you want"

You still foolishly hold that belief by the sounds of it, merely cause j posted a video showing a black person can be against blm as well..


You are the one with the problem mate.

I moved away from the conversation when you decided to start calling me pathetic and childish. Nothing more complicated than that.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

Youtube video

All undercover cops and white supremacists? I know you wont watch, but it's pretty clear what's happening in the video.

Ah, it's okay, police reports from across the US that blame white supremacy for riots and violence in protests have all been proven wrong because Swan has posted an edited compilation footage from Youtube!

You should ask yourself why you are so intent on trying to discredit people protesting police brutality.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Ah, it's okay, police reports from across the US that blame white supremacy for riots and violence in protests have all been proven wrong because Swan has posted an edited compilation footage from Youtube!

You should ask yourself why you are so intent on trying to discredit people protesting police brutality.

Im all for the decent, honest people fighting police brutality, never said otherwise. But it's pretty obvious you've not watched the video, it's not edited to manipulate, it's just a compilation of clips where people are stealing clothes, electronics, guns, and various other stuff. Also of people needlessly smashing up shops and and property.

If you wanna blame that kind of behaviour on white supremacy, and/or right wingers that's up to you.

[Oliver_W]

You can acknowledge that black lives matter and simultaneously not like the rioting which has been attributed to them (and unless you look on every corner of the net you'd have no reason to doubt the attributions are rightful) and also dislike their links to communism. Disliking the movement of Black Lives Matter isn't the same as saying that black lives don't matter.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

Im all for the decent, honest people fighting police brutality, never said otherwise. But it's pretty obvious you've not watched the video, it's not edited to manipulate, it's just a compilation of clips where people are stealing clothes, electronics, guns, and various other stuff. Also of people needlessly smashing up shops and and property.

If you wanna blame that kind of behaviour on white supremacy, and/or right wingers that's up to you.

You know what they say about assumptions, Swan. I watched it, and saw it was exactly what I said it was the first 1,000 times you posted this video as an argument.

Yes, I will blame the violence on the racists, that is the correct outcome in this conversation. For every protest that gets sabotaged to violence, there are hundreds of peaceful protest without any racist interference. But by all means, make out that I'm just believing what I want to believe, you obviously know more about this then the police that investigated cases of violence throughout the protests that all led back to racist interference.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You can acknowledge that black lives matter and simultaneously not like the rioting which has been attributed to them (and unless you look on every corner of the net you'd have no reason to doubt the attributions are rightful) and also dislike their links to communism. Disliking the movement of Black Lives Matter isn't the same as saying that black lives don't matter.

A bad faith statement on your part since you've made it abundantly clear in other posts on this matter that you care more about buildings and things over lives.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You know what they say about assumptions, Swan. I watched it, and saw it was exactly what I said it was the first 1,000 times you posted this video as an argument.

Yes, I will blame the violence on the racists, that is the correct outcome in this conversation. For every protest that gets sabotaged to violence, there are hundreds of peaceful protest without any racist interference. But by all means, make out that I'm just believing what I want to believe, you obviously know more about this then the police that investigated cases of violence throughout the protests that all led back to racist interference.

How do you feel about the people breaking into shops and stealing 6 of the same jackets, 10 of the same jeans etc? Or using a pick up truck to break into a gun shop, and stealing hundreds of guns?

[Toy Soldier]

Rioting and looting is a symptom of civil unrest and has been since there was a civilisation to be unrestful. It's just an inevitability of prolonged protest and should be viewed as a side-issue; it makes no difference in terms of discussing the reasons for the original protesting, though people will be more than happy to use it as a distraction.

Small groups of opportunistic people will use the cover of civil unrest to carry out selfish actions. You can acknowledge that but it's not really a key issue... It's just dolphins surfing the wake of a ship.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A bad faith statement on your part since you've made it abundantly clear in other posts on this matter that you care more about buildings and things over lives.

Nope, never said that. I said that a murder doesn't excuse a riot.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You know what they say about assumptions, Swan. I watched it, and saw it was exactly what I said it was the first 1,000 times you posted this video as an argument.

Yes, I will blame the violence on the racists, that is the correct outcome in this conversation. For every protest that gets sabotaged to violence, there are hundreds of peaceful protest without any racist interference. But by all means, make out that I'm just believing what I want to believe, you obviously know more about this then the police that investigated cases of violence throughout the protests that all led back to racist interference.

Okay, let's assume that X amount of the riots were triggered by saboteurs. Everyone who joined in with the riots and looting are still to blame. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. Whether they initially went there to peacefully protest or with the intention to cause trouble, it all goes out the window when the rioting starts. White supremacists, AntiFa, BLM, whoever - they're to blame for taking part.

[Kizzy]

I think a murder is an excellent reason for a riot...especially if those doing the murdering are in the business of law enforcement. ..

Protests peaceful or otherwise are a gauge of public feeling, how are the public feeling about this?
Throughout history there have been violent and non violent protests and riots for noble causes, and for things that the modern day take for granted.
They are sometimes necessary. .. when all other avenues have been exhausted. Of course they're not ideal, but can everyone hand on heart say they are never warranted? Imo no.

[Oliver_W]

If they took their riots to the police stations or City Hall (if that's the right term ) I might well be in support. Take it to the perpetrators!

But the level of destruction is inexcusable; pardon the anecdotal evidence but a twitter "friend" of mine lives in Chicago, and the riots left him without available food or medication for at least five miles.

You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone sane who agrees with the police murdering people, but it'd be just as hard to find anyone who thinks a riot which achieved nothing but a food desert was worth it.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think a murder is an excellent reason for a riot...especially if those doing the murdering are in the business of law enforcement. ..

Protests peaceful or otherwise are a gauge of public feeling, how are the public feeling about this?
Throughout history there have been violent and non violent protests and riots for noble causes, and for things that the modern day take for granted.
They are sometimes necessary. .. when all other avenues have been exhausted. Of course they're not ideal, but can everyone hand on heart say they are never warranted? Imo no.

which "murder" are you referring to that has gone to court and been confirmed?