[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's just an assumption on your part though.

In fact, they filmed that interview quite a while back, if I remember, so Phillip's recent issues would have had no impact on the content because it was already filmed. They were complimentary to the queen regardless, Meghan herself shared an anecdote that painted the queen in a positive light, if the fiction you're trying to push was true, they simply wouldn't have done that, because it would have done the opposite of what they wanted. Harry's not in a fight with the queen, they've both said as much, and pretending they are is just pointless in the light of that.

The Queen doesn't 'fight' she goes into action....


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Monarchy.html

The Queen is not a puppet! Her Majesty has never been more in charge or more ready to be ruthless after Harry and Meghan's claim that 'men in suits' run the monarchy, say sources

Queen made it as clear as possible that she, and she alone, remains in charge

Been made clear on behalf of Queen and her staff that Royal Family disagrees in the strongest terms with Prince Harry and Meghan's version of events

Statement said ‘recollections may vary’ but their concerns taken ‘very seriously
’
Sources say this had the full backing of both Prince Charles and Prince William
Her Majesty will not allow Prince Harry and Meghan to derail the Monarchy

By KATE MANSEY DEPUTY FEATURES EDITOR FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
PUBLISHE 22:02, 20 March 2021

Excerpts:
…...Take, for example, the uncompromising way in which Harry was stripped of his honours and patronages, the couple banned from carrying out engagements on behalf of the Queen, and from using their HRH titles to further their financial interests.
No longer were the Queen’s views judiciously concealed. She was unhappy and acted swiftly. The Queen let it be known that she was not only ‘disappointed’ but also ‘hurt’.....
But Her Majesty, a dedicated card player, knows the rules of patience – and will not allow Harry and Meghan to derail the Monarchy she has worked so hard to maintain.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Yeah I don't get the difference between this being leaked by William's friends and its him having a voice but when the "unproductive phone call" was leaked by Harry's friend, that was disrespectful and they should be ashamed.

Its all beyond boring now

Just the usual double standards really .

Harry & Meghan must shut up , even though it's been blown out if proportion .

But William & Kate get support for giving their opinions .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's just an assumption on your part though.

In fact, they filmed that interview quite a while back, if I remember, so Phillip's recent issues would have had no impact on the content because it was already filmed. They were complimentary to the queen regardless, Meghan herself shared an anecdote that painted the queen in a positive light, if the fiction you're trying to push was true, they simply wouldn't have done that, because it would have done the opposite of what they wanted. Harry's not in a fight with the queen, they've both said as much, and pretending they are is just pointless in the light of that.

Yeah I was about to say wasn't the interview done before Philip's health deteriorated , so definitely assumptions being made now

[jet]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Just the usual double standards really .

Harry & Meghan must shut up , even though it's been blown out if proportion .

But William & Kate get support for giving their opinions .

So you are saying that Meghan and Harry can say what they want, when they want about the royals, but the royals should never answer back with what they feel about it? .....and you aren't the only one saying this of course. I didn't think the H&M threads could get any sillier, but how wrong I was...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

The Queen doesn't 'fight' she goes into action....


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Monarchy.html

The Queen is not a puppet! Her Majesty has never been more in charge or more ready to be ruthless after Harry and Meghan's claim that 'men in suits' run the monarchy, say sources

Queen made it as clear as possible that she, and she alone, remains in charge

Been made clear on behalf of Queen and her staff that Royal Family disagrees in the strongest terms with Prince Harry and Meghan's version of events

Statement said ‘recollections may vary’ but their concerns taken ‘very seriously
’
Sources say this had the full backing of both Prince Charles and Prince William
Her Majesty will not allow Prince Harry and Meghan to derail the Monarchy

By KATE MANSEY DEPUTY FEATURES EDITOR FOR THE MAIL ON SUNDAY
PUBLISHE 22:02, 20 March 2021

Excerpts:
…...Take, for example, the uncompromising way in which Harry was stripped of his honours and patronages, the couple banned from carrying out engagements on behalf of the Queen, and from using their HRH titles to further their financial interests.
No longer were the Queen’s views judiciously concealed. She was unhappy and acted swiftly. The Queen let it be known that she was not only ‘disappointed’ but also ‘hurt’.....
But Her Majesty, a dedicated card player, knows the rules of patience – and will not allow Harry and Meghan to derail the Monarchy she has worked so hard to maintain.

More hearsay from the Daily Mail, then, and demented sounding hearsay at that.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

So you are saying that Meghan and Harry can say what they want, when they want about the royals, but the royals should never answer back with what they feel about it? .....and you aren't the only one saying this of course. I didn't think the H&M threads could get any sillier, but how wrong I was...

If you're gonna criticise Meghan for stories like this coming out, then you must criticise Will when the same thing happens, lest your hypocrisy is pointed out.

No one's saying that the Royals can't respond, we're just pointing out the hypocrisy of people who criticised Meghan but won't criticise Will when a similar story comes out about him. That's the be all and end all of it.

You know what's really silly? Strawman arguments and confirmation bias.

[GoldHeart]

How come one is praised for 'fighting back' and the other is labelled 'disrespectful',when in both situations it's nothing we didn't already know and both are being public about about it.

We knew Harry's relationship with his brother and Dad isn't the best at the moment, and we knew William wouldn't be entirely happy . But I still don't think the family rift is as bad as the media is making out .

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

How come one is praised for 'fighting back' and the other is labelled 'disrespectful',when in both situations it's nothing we didn't already know and both are being public about about it.

We knew Harry's relationship with his brother and Dad isn't the best at the moment, and we knew William wouldn't be entirely happy . But I still don't think the family rift is as bad as the media is making out .

Because they are responding to allegations made by Harry?

Like he said William bound by duty in order words saying he would rather be anywhere else, that is not for Harry to say, he has walked and he wasn't in line anyway, if William wants to walk he can if he wants and Charles can abdicate as well

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

More hearsay from the Daily Mail, then, and demented sounding hearsay at that.

You are so wrong... its not just in the DM.
You must think she's a fluffy soft little granny figure who is tolerating what these 2 are doing. Never underestimate the Queen, ever!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you're gonna criticise Meghan for stories like this coming out, then you must criticise Will when the same thing happens, lest your hypocrisy is pointed out.

No one's saying that the Royals can't respond, we're just pointing out the hypocrisy of people who criticised Meghan but won't criticise Will when a similar story comes out about him. That's the be all and end all of it.

You know what's really silly? Strawman arguments and confirmation bias.

BS.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Because they are responding to allegations made by Harry?

Like he said William bound by duty in order words saying he would rather be anywhere else, that is not for Harry to say, he has walked and he wasn't in line anyway, if William wants to walk he can if he wants and Charles can abdicate as well

Did Harry lie though ?

William will never walk away from royal protocol and duties, why would he and how would he ? . The focus is on Kate and William when it comes to the next generation,next in line and following with tradition.

Charles is in his 70s why would he abdicate now , there's a high chance he'll pass the throne to William when the Queen dies though .

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you're gonna criticise Meghan for stories like this coming out, then you must criticise Will when the same thing happens, lest your hypocrisy is pointed out.

No one's saying that the Royals can't respond, we're just pointing out the hypocrisy of people who criticised Meghan but won't criticise Will when a similar story comes out about him. That's the be all and end all of it.

You know what's really silly? Strawman arguments and confirmation bias.

So if someone made public a conversation with you that was private, and a friend of yours criticized them for doing that, and you reveal your feelings publicly about how it made you feel and the friend says to you 'well done, you!', would you say to the friend 'you're a hypocrite!!'.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Did Harry lie though ?

William will never walk away from royal protocol and duties, why would he and how would he ? . The focus is on Kate and William when it comes to the next generation,next in line and following with tradition.

Charles is in his 70s why would he abdicate now , there's a high chance he'll pass the throne to William when the Queen dies though .

No way will Charlie’s pass the throne to William Charles will be king because it’s his destiny unless he died before he could take to the throne.

People have said in the past the queen should step down but she will die as the queen of this country.

[GoldHeart]

Of course the Queen won't step down,why would she when she's been reigning for 70 years . At the age of 94 now why would she ,she sees it as her duty to carry on.

But I still think Charles might pass it to William,but we'll see I guess .

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Of course the Queen won't step down,why would she when she's been reigning for 70 years . At the age of 94 now why would she ,she sees it as her duty to carry on.

But I still think Charles might pass it to William,but we'll see I guess .

Never it’s Charles birth right to be king and just like queen would never step down Charles will take his place in history

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Wow can't believe William and Kate deliberately leaked this information to Royal insiders and told them to give it to the press to be published? So disrespectful of the family and their privacy, they could really just have told this to Harry and Meghan in private. So disrespectful of the Queen at a time when her husband is just out of hospital. Someone really needs to have words with William about the information he arranges to be given to the press via others.

Oop

[GoldHeart]

I never said it wasn't Charles' birthright, but if he gives it up then he gives it up , he's not exactly a spring chicken.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by jet

So if someone made public a conversation with you that was private, and a friend of yours criticized them for doing that, and you reveal your feelings publicly about how it made you feel and the friend says to you 'well done, you!', would you say to the friend 'you're a hypocrite!!'.

....and all this from a woman who likes to keep her private life private...unless of course it’s to cause a problem with someone else’s.

All William was doing was telling us how he feels...because let’s face it we are sick and tired of hearing about how H&M are feeling.

[GoldHeart]

H& M are saying how they feel too

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Did Harry lie though ?

William will never walk away from royal protocol and duties, why would he and how would he ? . The focus is on Kate and William when it comes to the next generation,next in line and following with tradition.

Charles is in his 70s why would he abdicate now , there's a high chance he'll pass the throne to William when the Queen dies though .

It's not really his business any more, he talks about privacy then bangs on that his Dad and Brother are trapped

[Cherie]

I read an article yesterday asking where Harrys friends were, while we have heard from Serena and Megs Suits co-stars all backing the pair, not one of Harry's friends have spoken up on his behalf

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I read an article yesterday asking where Harrys friends were, while we have heard from Serena and Megs Suits co-stars all backing the pair, not one of Harry's friends have spoken up on his behalf

Meghan said because he has been a good boy she let him keep his action man dollls.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by jet

Agreed. William letting his reaction be known is totally different from as you say ‘firing the first shot’ - and its not as if H&M won't already know how he feels. They have had free rein to say what they want for 18 months knowing the Palace won't answer back in kind - well, watch out, looks like William isn’t prepared to ‘never complain, never explain’ all of the time. Looks like he wants certain feelings known - and he isn’t spilling any personal info on H&M, unlike those two LA blabbermouths, which I’m sure he certainly could do.

"It is TERRIBLE for Meghan and Harry to speak about this!"

"What if William does it?"

"Oh that is fine."

"Why??"

"Because YAY WILLIAM!"


... actual footage of the mental gymnastics required to make it "disgusting" that Harry and Meghan said a phonecall was unproductive, but "totally fine" that William has called them insulting and disrespectful:



Really just confirmation that all of these debates have NOTHING to do with ANYTHING other than unquestioning dogmatic allegiance to the Monarchy, which really makes these threads completely and utterly pointless. Arguing points that just don't matter when it all it really comes down to is "because THE QUEEN" or "because WILLIAM FUTURE KING". Honestly just nonsense at this point... nothing but a display of rampant loyalism. I knew there was orange on my radar, should have gone with my instincts .

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I read an article yesterday asking where Harrys friends were, while we have heard from Serena and Megs Suits co-stars all backing the pair, not one of Harry's friends have spoken up on his behalf

Use your noggin Cherie, most of Harry's pals are still active military they're not going to speak out against the Sovereign Head of the Armed Forces ffs

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Use your noggin Cherie, most of Harry's pals are still active military they're not going to speak out against the Sovereign Head of the Armed Forces ffs

Valid point