[Denver]

Ive been watching a lot of tiktoks of Black Americans and I don't understand the obsession with the Americans calling every black person African American? A huge percentage of the American race have not had an African relative in hundreds of years and a lot of them have no idea who there relatives are and don't follow African Traditions, Cultures, speak the language etc but think they own Africa.

And let's not start on the fact that Americans try to cancel White Africans because God forbid anyone who is black being born in Africa is not allowed to be African yet they are more African then most of the Black race if America most of who never traveled to the any African countries or could even name 5 of them.

Anyway the whole point of this post is to just discuss how toxic and problematic the American Culture is where everyone thinks they own the world when they don't even own a pot to piss in

[Denver]

So basically people really need to stop associating nationality with skin colour as they are 2 serperate things

[LeatherTrumpet]

Maybe just concentrate on the UK and let other countries work stuff out for themselves?

[Livia]

I'm pretty sure that "toxic and problematic" term was coined by Jesse Jackson.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Denver

where everyone thinks they own the world when they don't even own a pot to piss in

Aren't you being as presumptuous and generalising about an entire nation of people based on a minority, the same way you're criticising the Americans who get terminology wrong?

[Redway]

And aside from that no one calls white Americans (who aren’t indigenous to America either) European Americans. I agree.

[Livia]

"A group of black leaders, including the Rev. Jesse Jackson, says members of their race would prefer to be called African-Americans rather than blacks.

″Just as we were called colored, but were not that, and then Negro, but not that, to be called black is just as baseless,″ Jackson said at a news conference Monday after a meeting of the black leaders.

″To be called African-Americans has cultural integrity,″ he said. ″It puts us in our proper historical context. Every ethnic group in this country has a reference to some land base, some historical cultural base. African- Americans have hit that level of cultural maturity.″

[LeatherTrumpet]

Oop

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Livia

"A group of black leaders, including the Rev. Jesse Jackson, says members of their race would prefer to be called African-Americans rather than blacks.

″Just as we were called colored, but were not that, and then Negro, but not that, to be called black is just as baseless,″ Jackson said at a news conference Monday after a meeting of the black leaders.

″To be called African-Americans has cultural integrity,″ he said. ″It puts us in our proper historical context. Every ethnic group in this country has a reference to some land base, some historical cultural base. African- Americans have hit that level of cultural maturity.″

It's bull **** though as black is a race African is a nationality and if you are born outside of an African country then you are not African, you have African descendants but are not African

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Denver

It's bull **** though as black is a race African is a nationality and if you are born outside of an African country then you are not African, you have African descendants but are not African

How about Italian Americans? Or Irish Americans?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Livia

How about Italian Americans? Or Irish Americans?

Not even a thing, just because your grandfather 8x removed was born in Ireland it doesn't make you Irish and you are only seen as part of another nationality if its your birth grand parents or parents born there

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Denver

Not even a thing, just because your grandfather 8x removed was born in Ireland it doesn't make you Irish and you are only seen as part of another nationality if its your birth grand parents or parents born there

What do you mean, not even a thing? Are you American? People take their heritage quite seriously there. Did you even read what Jesse Jackson said?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Livia

What do you mean, not even a thing? Are you American? People take their heritage quite seriously there. Did you even read what Jesse Jackson said?

If you Irish 10x removed and never been to Ireland or follow any culture and live a normal American life style then no you are not Irish what so ever, your sister descendants are bit not you and alot of the time they are very condescending to the nationality they wish to claim

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Denver

If you Irish 10x removed and never been to Ireland or follow any culture and live a normal American life style then no you are not Irish what so ever, your sister descendants are bit not you and alot of the time they are very condescending to the nationality they wish to claim

The article went on to say...

Many of the leaders at the meeting, including representatives of the National Black Republicans Council, the National Black County Officials and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said the term African-Americans would be a psychological lift.

The Rev. Willie Barrow, president of Operation PUSH, said she will start using the term immediately.

″I’m African-American just like the Polish are Polish-American and Italians are Italian-American,″ she said. ″It’s something we’ve all agreed upon and it’s just great.″

Google it, it's a good read.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Livia

What do you mean, not even a thing? Are you American? People take their heritage quite seriously there. Did you even read what Jesse Jackson said?

Also in regards to heritage of 'african' Americans because of the way the slave trade went they know nothing about their descendents or where they even came from in Africa so you can't take a heritage you have no idea about seriously, Africa is a continent with over 50 countries and if you can't state what country you are from how can you claim to be african

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Denver

Also in regards to heritage of 'african' Americans because of the way the slave trade went they know nothing about their descendents or where they even came from in Africa so you can't take a heritage you have no idea about seriously, Africa is a continent with over 50 countries and if you can't state what country you are from how can you claim to be african

I can't see why you're so twisted out of shape over a term chosen by black leaders. If Black people in the USA decide that they don't want to use this term anymore, then they should go about changing it. Until then I'm quite happy however they choose to describe themselves.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Livia

I can't see why you're so twisted out of shape over a term chosen by black leaders. If Black people in the USA decide that they don't want to use this term anymore, then they should go about changing it. Until then I'm quite happy however they choose to describe themselves.

It's disrespectful to the people who are born and raised in African countries when you can't even tell anyone anything about Africa and its very disrespectful to the white, mixed, Asian, Middle Eastern ect Africans who are constantly being told by African Americans that they are not allowed to call themselves African despite being born and living there while the Americans can't even name 5 countries or don't partake in any culture, Africa is a continent of countries and is defined by nationality and not race you can't call yourself African if you American born and raised with no real ties to Africa

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Denver

It's disrespectful to the people who are born and raised in African countries when you can't even tell anyone anything about Africa and its very disrespectful to the white, mixed, Asian, Middle Eastern ect Africans who are constantly being told by African Americans that they are not allowed to call themselves African despite being born and living there while the Americans can't even name 5 countries or don't partake in any culture, Africa is a continent of countries and is defined by nationality and not race you can't call yourself African if you American born and raised with no real ties to Africa

If you have a problem with what a group of people in another country choose to call themselves then I really don't know what to tell you.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you have a problem with what a group of people in another country choose to call themselves then I really don't know what to tell you.

What dobyou not understand? You can not and should not claim to be a citizen of another country that you are not and know nothing about

[arista]

Tik Tok

Is causing trouble or is just reflecting USA Youth changing.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Denver

What dobyou not understand? You can not and should not claim to be a citizen of another country that you are not and know nothing about

Oh please, do correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is this: You don't like African Americans calling themselves African Americans because they weren't born in Africa. It sounds so ridiculous maybe I am not understanding you.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

Tik Tok

Is causing trouble or is just reflecting USA Youth changing.

Like I said, if there's a movement for African Americans to call themselves something else, that's very much up to them.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh please, do correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is this: You don't like African Americans calling themselves African Americans because they weren't born in Africa. It sounds so ridiculous maybe I am not understanding you.

You wouldn't like it if someone who spent their whole lives living in Iraq started to call themselves British even though they wasn't? You can't just say yu are a nationality it doesn't work like that

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Denver

You wouldn't like it if someone who spent their whole lives living in Iraq started to call themselves British even though they wasn't? You can't just say yu are a nationality it doesn't work like that

You said African wasn't a nationality. Make your mind up.

Your analogy is quite tenuous, but to play along... If that person in Iraq was descended from Britons who were sold into slavery in Iraq, then I suppose I wouldn't have any problem with it at all. So don't you think it's a little disrespectful to people whose ancestors were taken to America, from Africa, in chains, to tell them they can't call themselves what they've chosen to call themselves? I'd keep my trunk out of their business.

[Marsh.]

Wait, I thought your issue was with people assuming that all black people in America are "African American" but your issue is with African Americans calling themselves African American?