[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Lauren
No, instead of directing it at one person she encapsulated a large social group - how could this possibly be better?

Like Emily, she didn't mean it in an offensive manner - yet Emily was ejected.

What kind of message is this passing on?

The etymology of the word may not have as many negative roots as the 'n' word - however, it's been used in homophobic attacks, and so is just as offensive.

Did she walk over to one of the cameras, and make a formal announcement?

Emily was addressing someone who was extremely likely to be offended by what she said. Laura was addressing a straight man, who had spent the day dressed as, from his own description, 'a gimp'. By definition, if you've a problem with Laura's comment then you should also have a problem with Channel 4, for promoting a negative (and therefore offensive) stereotype and with all of the other hm's who suggested Liam's costume would interest Gerry. And Channel 4 for using footage of Gerry when Liam walked into the bedroom, Dermot O'Dreary for making even more of an issue of that on BBLB, etc. And why was Piggy allowed to get away with referring to all of the girls as 'lesbians'? He, and all of the hm's involved in what we saw on tonight's highlights show should also be removed, and Dermot O'Dreary should be sacked. Getting silly now? Well hey, we may as well all get in on the act.

The message that Emily's apologists think they've found a loophole?

Emily used what's very probably the worst term imaginable in that context. What Laura said is nothing like as offensive as terms that begin with q, or f, etc. Sticks' point earlier in the thread is valid - it's only a homophobic insult when used maliciously. The word Emily used has no such variations.

[Wildcat!]

I changed the title, because people are talking about it too much. I dont think thats fair, vbecause she is up for eviction. Unless I find a bad thread for Chanelle...
hhmm...

[Lauren]

CharlotteSometimes, you assume I am a fan of Emily? I'm not.
Voids about 40% of your whole argument.

Why do you suggest that "****" has 'friendly' variations? I have a friend who was attacked for being gay, and the word used maliciously was "****". Furthermore, the 'n' word is used in rap songs with variations on maliciousness.

Also, why does looking like a 'gimp' equate to something homosexual?

Furthermore, explain to me how C4 promoted a negative stereotype?

[bovvered?]

Lauren you have never obviously been to a Gay 'leather' Bar....

seriously tho...

I call my dog a **** when he's had his haircut...

[Foebane100]

Not for what she said but some of the things she has done aren't very nice.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by bovvered?
Lauren you have never obviously been to a Gay 'leather' Bar....

I don't plan too, either. I've already said the word "****" is accepted by many... the fact remains that BB have listed racism above homophobia.

[spudmacspud]

Originally posted by Arneldo
I wasn't offended, and i think that word is thrown around so much nowadays that it isn't the offensive word it was. The word '****' is now just another word for a gay man.

She shouldn't be thrown out, she didn't use it in an offensive way. People will be offended but i think the people who will be offended are shadowed people. It is in no way as offensive as what Emily said. I was happy with Laura just being told off.

there are SOOOOOO many things wrong with this post

1. You weren't offended (i presume your straight then?)
2. it isn't an offensive word (as a gay man may i assure you, yes it is)
3. just another word to a gay man (the same could be said for the "n" word used by emily)
4. She shouldn't be thrown out (That would be one rule for some and a different for the rest)
5. She didn't use it in an offensive way (that excuses nothing she still shouldn't have used it)
6. people who will be offended are shadowed people (don't even start me)
7.It is in no way as offensive as what Emily said (again let me assure you, yes it is)

If emily had said the exact same phrase to someone white would it have been less offensive, no it wouldn't so just because laura said it to someone straight doesn't mean it's not offensive.

"Laura meant it as a joke" well emilly didn't point at charley and say "You ******ing N***er" she said it in a very casual way quite similar to the casual way that laura said what she said.

Emily said what she said once and was removed almost instantly, laura has been showen in the highlights now on two occassions (includng tonight) and all she gets is a slapped wrist...... it is pathetic she should be removed immediately

[bovvered?]

The remark was not homophobic...

It would be the same as calling Charley fat.... IMHO!

[Lauren]

Spudmacspud, just because someone wasn't offended doesn't mean they're straight. I know many homosexuals who aren't offended at "****", on the flipside, I know many who are.

[spudmacspud]

Originally posted by Lauren
Spudmacspud, just because someone wasn't offended doesn't mean they're straight. I know many homosexuals who aren't offended at "****", on the flipside, I know many who are.

I know that but it's an easy presumption to make as a huge share of the people who claim to not be offended to these comments will generally be straight

as with emily's comments most of the people who weren't offended were white

[CassetteFinger]

it kind of shows why she picked on gerry that day about keeping her up all night like someone stays up on by them selfs all night.

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by spudmacspud

there are SOOOOOO many things wrong with this post

1. You weren't offended (i presume your straight then?)
2. it isn't an offensive word (as a gay man may i assure you, yes it is)
3. just another word to a gay man (the same could be said for the "n" word used by emily)
4. She shouldn't be thrown out (That would be one rule for some and a different for the rest)
5. She didn't use it in an offensive way (that excuses nothing she still shouldn't have used it)
6. people who will be offended are shadowed people (don't even start me)
7.It is in no way as offensive as what Emily said (again let me assure you, yes it is)

If emily had said the exact same phrase to someone white would it have been less offensive, no it wouldn't so just because laura said it to someone straight doesn't mean it's not offensive.

"Laura meant it as a joke" well emilly didn't point at charley and say "You ******ing N***er" she said it in a very casual way quite similar to the casual way that laura said what she said.

Emily said what she said once and was removed almost instantly, laura has been showen in the highlights now on two occassions (includng tonight) and all she gets is a slapped wrist...... it is pathetic she should be removed immediately

1. I'm not straight.
2. It isn't as offensive nowadays. With some gay men using the word 'puff' to describe themselves. Jonathan Ross' house band 'For Puffs and a Piano' springs to mind.
3. The same could be said BUT the N word goes back hundreds of years and it means horrible nasty things.
4. it would be one rule for all but for something that could be classed as clearly offensive.
5. She didn't use it as to say being gay was a negative thing.
6. Go ahead, i will start you.
7. I personally, don't find it as offensive as what Emily said.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Lauren
CharlotteSometimes, you assume I am a fan of Emily? I'm not.
Voids about 40% of your whole argument.

Why do you suggest that "****" has 'friendly' variations? I have a friend who was attacked for being gay, and the word used maliciously was "****". Furthermore, the 'n' word is used in rap songs with variations on maliciousness.

Also, why does looking like a 'gimp' equate to something homosexual?

Furthermore, explain to me how C4 promoted a negative stereotype?

It voids nothing. There are many other posts in this thread, and comparisons with the Emily incident have been made several times over. I chose to quote your post simply because it was the one I disagreed with the most.

Please don't put words in my mouth. The word actually means 'effeminate', so to draw a homosexual comparison from it is actually homophobic in itself. When did this 'attack' take place, exactly? Circa 1955? And Emily is not a rapper.

Again, please don't misquote me. The parallel was clearly drawn on the highlights show. If you don't recognise the stereotype, then I'm sure Google can help you.

See above.

[spudmacspud]

7. I personally, don't find it as offensive as what Emily said.

thats your opinion but others do find it offensive thats why she needs to be punished

I'm sure not all black people were offended by emily as the word she used is frequently used within their communities as is the word **** and i'll use your example 4 ***** and a piano. If some people find it offensive i.e. me and most of my homosexual friends and i'm sure plenty more, she needs te exact same treatment

Please don't put words in my mouth. The word actually means 'effeminate', so to draw a homosexual comparison from it is actually homophobic in itself. When did this 'attack' take place, exactly? Circa 1955?

http://www.answers.com/****&r=67

i think you'll also find that it does refer to homosexual males

[Wiglet]

[Quote]The message that Emily's apologists think they've found a loophole?[Quote]

Charlotte_Sometimes don't ever insult me with an accusation of being an Emily apologist please.

I made a factual statement which I suspect is likely to happen unless the wording of the HMs contract is watertight. Laura was clearly told by BB that her word/s could be considered offensive and this was what Emily was told. There must be a very longwinded contract with teenyweeny smallprint which must go into minute detail as to which words are acceptable and which words are not? At least you would hope so wouldn't you?

My personal opinion on the words or the people has not been expressed in this at all and I do not like dragging Emilygate back up because the two are different. The thing is the producers have made them the same in the way they used their wording when speaking to both offending housemates.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Indeed, and don't make assumptions about my posts either, please. Did I say, at any point, that anyone who mentions Emily in this thread is therefore an apologist for her? The suggestion is there, hence the fact that I used a question mark, rather than a full stop. I made no specific reference to any member of this forum.

[Foebane100]

Anyway Laura can say it as she is Matt Lucas in a fairly poor disguise.

[Matt]

Homophobic slurs are just as bad as racial slurs in my book...

[Feral]

Originally posted by Lauren

It's the right link... it has nothing to do with weather.

Duh!! Apologies to all!! Just a bit fick me!!!!

Saw the words Thunder Storms and Showers!!!!

I am now holding my head down in shame (was rather late!!!)

All point at the thickie!!!!!




Anyway really good debate and I think it is a case of double standards.