FAQ |
Members List |
Calendar |
Search |
Today's Posts |
|
Serious Debates & News Debate and discussion about political, moral, philosophical, celebrity and news topics. |
Reply |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
07-01-2023, 03:48 PM | #26 | |||
|
||||
The Italian Job
|
26% ? That's not gonna happen, no matter how much they strike.
It's completely unreasonable.
__________________
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
07-01-2023, 03:54 PM | #27 | |||
|
||||
I Cant Breathe
|
If the Government made the job something someone was willing to spend a huge amount of years at uni for to be worth it in the end and also made it impossible for foreign doctors and nurses to come and do the most important job in the country there would be no need to strike would there
__________________
Spoiler: |
|||
Reply With Quote |
07-01-2023, 06:19 PM | #28 | ||
|
|||
Remembering Kerry
|
Quote:
Certainly going to tie firmly the hands of strikers to ensure less effectiveness of any of their action. The pathetic bunch of incompetent Ministers who are blaming ANYONE and everyone else for their own almighty failure with the NHS over the going on 13 years almost. Disgraceful. The Doctors and nurses don't want to strike, they've been pushed over the edge by the government yet now the government answer is to purposely restrict action by them. I'm sure the new extreme strike legislation will be challenged in the courts and if it is I hope it's successful in that challenge. It's obvious 26% is not going to be possible but starting higher is sensible because as to this current number crunching waste of space PM, that's all he understands. Good luck from me to ALL nurses and Doctors and others taking action to even just try to expose the lack of decency of and take on this totally inept government. |
||
Reply With Quote |
07-01-2023, 11:59 PM | #29 | |||
|
||||
🌈😈🌈👊🏾🌈👻🌈🫦🌈🔥🌈
|
Doctors think they are so smart and deserve so much they are actually nothing. The contribute nothing to the economy yet want to take so much. Pay them just lightly more than the useless nurses please
__________________
TiBB’s World Traveller Favourite countries I’ve been to: 🇧🇷🇲🇽🇬🇷🇪🇸🇯🇵🇳🇦🇺🇸🇨🇦🇺🇦🇳🇮🇵🇭 Evil countries: 🇻🇳🇲🇦🇷🇺🇮🇪 |
|||
Reply With Quote |
28-06-2023, 07:08 AM | #30 | |||
|
||||
Senior Member
|
BBC News Text:
[Senior doctors have voted in favour of a 48-hour walk out from 20 July, just two days after the end of a planned five-day strike by junior doctors. The paper says the action will leave the health service, able to provide only the most urgent and emergency care and quotes Matthew Taylor, chief executive of the NHS Confederation, calling the situation "uncharted territory for a post-pandemic NHS".] Last edited by arista; 28-06-2023 at 07:14 AM. |
|||
Reply With Quote |
28-06-2023, 07:38 AM | #31 | |||
|
||||
self-oscillating
|
it's not like the government hasn't been warned and they have time to make them a sensible offer
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
28-06-2023, 09:07 AM | #32 | |||
|
||||
God Save The Rave
|
Quote:
But I'm far from convinced that #1 will happen at all, and even if it does, I'm not convinced there will be a huge amount of movement on #2. Not quickly enough to matter, anyway. |
|||
Reply With Quote |
28-06-2023, 09:15 AM | #33 | |||
|
||||
POW! BLAM!
|
It's one of those situations in which it's easy to see both sodes - the 25%+ increase is technically a correction, and they've not been paid "properly" in ages; but it's hard to have sympathy for people on upwards of Ł90k who want to increase their pay by at least a quarter!
That would total a huge burden on the already overburdened NHS. I think a lot of bottom-up changes need to be made tbh. Pissing money away on diversity lectures and paying for people to "transition" is a luxury, and shouldn't even be considered while there's a shortage of Beds and people are being underpaid. |
|||
Reply With Quote |
28-06-2023, 09:57 AM | #34 | |||
|
||||
God Save The Rave
|
Quote:
And then exactly the same thing will happen as happens in developing nations; the staff who have any real skill/ability/talent pack their bags and move to countries that will pay them appropriately for their level of knowledge and skill, and we get left with the low-wage dregs. Tories are already looking at shortening the length of healthcare education to funnel more staff through quicker. Competence levels will drop and people will die. There's no two ways about it. Just pray you never get into a serious accident or develop a life-threatening or severe ongoing condition, I guess. |
|||
Reply With Quote |
28-06-2023, 10:00 AM | #35 | |||
|
||||
POW! BLAM!
|
Quote:
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
28-06-2023, 10:07 AM | #36 | |||
|
||||
God Save The Rave
|
Quote:
There are huge day-to-day inefficiencies in every type of service that add up to a lot more in terms of resource wastage than operating a diverse range of services. |
|||
Reply With Quote |
28-06-2023, 10:08 AM | #37 | |||
|
||||
POW! BLAM!
|
Quote:
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
28-06-2023, 10:14 AM | #38 | |||
|
||||
God Save The Rave
|
I dunno, I mean I think everyone is aware that I'm no fan of money being spent on things like transition (especially with kids) but, for one, realistically in terms of healthcare it's an absolutely minuscule amount of money to the point of being insignificant, and also if making changes there it would be most ethical to ringfence that funding for the mental health services that should be available instead (and frankly... a lot more resources than that).
Affirmation is actually the easy (and cheap) option. |
|||
Reply With Quote |
28-06-2023, 10:16 AM | #39 | |||
|
||||
POW! BLAM!
|
How is it cheaper than having it be a private-only service? Miniscule as it may be, I don't see how it's a justifiable public expense.
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
28-06-2023, 10:29 AM | #40 | |||
|
||||
God Save The Rave
|
Because as I said the elephant in the room is that the people who are under these services more often than not need far more significant ongoing mental health support, and mental health is already chronically under-resourced.
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
28-06-2023, 10:31 AM | #41 | |||
|
||||
God Save The Rave
|
Regardless as I said it's a separate debate; you could cut the entire thing but compared in scale to parts of the service like A&E / orthopaedics / stroke / cardiology it would be like finding a Ł2 coin down the back of the sofa and trying to use it to pay your rent for a year.
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
28-06-2023, 10:42 AM | #42 | |||
|
||||
Senior Member
|
I was chatting to a doctor’s receptionist last week .. discussing health issues , waiting lists etc ..
Anyways she was adamant that due to Covid where they hardly saw anyone face to face ..that doctors are now simply LAZY and do the bare minimum Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
|||
Reply With Quote |
29-06-2023, 03:51 AM | #43 | |||
|
||||
Senior Member
|
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
02-07-2023, 10:11 PM | #44 | |||
|
||||
Senior Member
|
Sky News Text:
[The news that the health secretary has pledged to increase doctors' pay if they call off their plans to strike] |
|||
Reply With Quote |
03-07-2023, 01:07 AM | #45 | |||
|
||||
Senior Member
|
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
03-07-2023, 01:09 AM | #46 | |||
|
||||
Senior Member
|
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
03-07-2023, 09:49 AM | #47 | |||
|
||||
God Save The Rave
|
If the govt will get round the table with doctors for further pay negotiations when they flat out refused to with nurses and AHP's there's going to be NHS civil war. It will go down like a lead balloon.
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
03-07-2023, 12:25 PM | #48 | |||
|
||||
You know my methods
|
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
03-07-2023, 12:34 PM | #49 | |||
|
||||
Senior Member
|
Quote:
It won’t make much difference.. there’s about a 2 to 3 weeks waiting time for ours Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
|||
Reply With Quote |
11-08-2023, 03:48 AM | #50 | |||
|
||||
Senior Member
|
|
|||
Reply With Quote |
Reply |
|
|