[MTVN]

I'll start watching this tonight I think. I'm a bit torn on it - I do believe in second chances and she was only 15. Getting groomed and sucked into extremism at that age is very common, I flirted with some pretty warped ideas myself around that age. Going to the lengths she did to act on it is quite different though. Two big issues as well were that she didn't show much remorse at first and still defended things like the Manchester bombing. We also don't know what she actually did out there - some reports said she was very closely involved in preparing suicide bombs and things like that. So it's hard to feel any sympathy for her plight but maybe I'll be persuaded otherwise

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

a 15 year old is perfectly capable of making their own mind up, planning a trip, and covering their tracks. I don't believe the .... she was groomed story ... for a moment

15 year olds are children

[MTVN]

Well in the first few seconds she says a lot of the anger is directed at her 'because she's been put on the media so much' then says 'what was there to obsess over - we went to ISIS, that was it, it's over. They just wanted to continue the story'

Not the best start

[Redway]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'll start watching this tonight I think. I'm a bit torn on it - I do believe in second chances and she was only 15. Getting groomed and sucked into extremism at that age is very common, I flirted with some pretty warped ideas myself around that age. Going to the lengths she did to act on it is quite different though. Two big issues as well were that she didn't show much remorse at first and still defended things like the Manchester bombing. We also don't know what she actually did out there - some reports said she was very closely involved in preparing suicide bombs and things like that. So it's hard to feel any sympathy for her plight but maybe I'll be persuaded otherwise

Like (if I may ask)?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not praise but facts are she was groomed and radicalised online as a 15 year old, I don't believe at that age she could possibly have a real understanding of what she was doing/taking on

If isis was still in control of the areas that they held and she was still with them, she would happily cut your throat.

She is telling people what they want to hear, she has no remorse.

It’s like murderers or sex attackers that convince the parole board they are sorry

Be better off if she had a bullet in her head like so many others.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'll start watching this tonight I think. I'm a bit torn on it - I do believe in second chances and she was only 15. Getting groomed and sucked into extremism at that age is very common, I flirted with some pretty warped ideas myself around that age. Going to the lengths she did to act on it is quite different though. Two big issues as well were that she didn't show much remorse at first and still defended things like the Manchester bombing. We also don't know what she actually did out there - some reports said she was very closely involved in preparing suicide bombs and things like that. So it's hard to feel any sympathy for her plight but maybe I'll be persuaded otherwise

I don’t think there’s any coming back from her widely reported views and showing no remorse as regards the horrific Manchester bombing


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[MTVN]

I've finished watching this now and it was fascinating. I think she's really become very detached and desensitised to the full horror of what ISIS did. She talks about going there as if it was a silly thing to do and describes it quite flippantly - 'we left, we went to ISIS, that was it' and stuff like that. All the bad things that happened just seen like they were a bit of an inconvenience.

The trauma she's gone through is massive - married off to a stranger at 15, all three of her kids dying, two other failed pregnancies, walking miles across the dessert when heavily pregnant, her best friends being blown up etc. And then she talked about seeing heads in bins and how that didn't faze her. She still doesn't really feel any guilt because she just said everything would have happened anyway and I think there's a lot of things she hasn't admitted. You don't stay in ISIS for four years without seeing and probably doing some pretty awful things.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Redway

Like (if I may ask)?

Pretty right wing stuff. When I first got into politics when I was 14 or so I used to debate with another kid - he was the very left wing guy and I was the right wing. That sent me down some online rabbit holes, I used to browse the BNP website and things like that as this was the time they were having a fair bit of success electorally

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I've finished watching this now and it was fascinating. I think she's really become very detached and desensitised to the full horror of what ISIS did. She talks about going there as if it was a silly thing to do and describes it quite flippantly - 'we left, we went to ISIS, that was it' and stuff like that. All the bad things that happened just seen like they were a bit of an inconvenience.

The trauma she's gone through is massive - married off to a stranger at 15, all three of her kids dying, two other failed pregnancies, walking miles across the dessert when heavily pregnant, her best friends being blown up etc. And then she talked about seeing heads in bins and how that didn't faze her. She still doesn't really feel any guilt because she just said everything would have happened anyway and I think there's a lot of things she hasn't admitted. You don't stay in ISIS for four years without seeing and probably doing some pretty awful things.

So what is your opinion after watching ~ we don't want her back ?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

So what is your opinion after watching ~ we don't want her back ?

I think she doesn't really have any remorse and still doesn't understand that she did much wrong. I'm not even sure she thinks ISIS did that much wrong. That makes her very dangerous still and she'd need to be subject to a lot of monitoring and should serve some prison time here.

The only thing in her defence is that she has been through massive trauma so that would have a very lasting effect and partly explain why she comes across so emotionless. I do feel some sympathy for losing three children as well. I don't think depriving her of her citizenship and making her stateless for life was right either, I think she is the UK's responsibility even if we don't like it

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think she doesn't really have any remorse and still doesn't understand that she did much wrong. I'm not even sure she thinks ISIS did that much wrong. That makes her very dangerous still and she'd need to be subject to a lot of monitoring and should serve some prison time here.

The only thing in her defence is that she has been through massive trauma so that would have a very lasting effect and partly explain why she comes across so emotionless. I do feel some sympathy for losing three children as well. I don't think depriving her of her citizenship and making her stateless for life was right either, I think she is the UK's responsibility even if we don't like it

I agree with this, we cant have it both ways deport those we dont want and keep citizens out we dont want, she should be here, but in prison

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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I agree with this, we cant have it both ways deport those we dont want and keep citizens out we dont want, she should be here, but in prison

No.

Not in prison. In schools talking about her ordeal would be better.



Supervised of course. After being treated for PTSD as well

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If isis was still in control of the areas that they held and she was still with them, she would happily cut your throat.

She is telling people what they want to hear, she has no remorse.

It’s like murderers or sex attackers that convince the parole board they are sorry

Be better off if she had a bullet in her head like so many others.

Could easily have been a choice....cut the throat, or you get stoned to death.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Pretty right wing stuff. When I first got into politics when I was 14 or so I used to debate with another kid - he was the very left wing guy and I was the right wing. That sent me down some online rabbit holes, I used to browse the BNP website and things like that as this was the time they were having a fair bit of success electorally

Bloody hell, man. Very dodgy rabbit-hole indeed but thank God you can see those ultra right-wingers (not that people on the extreme left are much better, granted) for what they are. We all know teenagers can be highly impressionable.