[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Trans people and women, were, up until around 2019 sharing spaces without any issue whatsoever, and then women have been propagandised/radicalised (mainly by men) into believing their world is being taken away and they are being replaced by a new group of "chicks with dicks" to quote our Cambridge educated lawyer.

I would be radicalised too, if that's what I believed. Everyone always believes they can see through propaganda, which of course only ever happens to other people, but all of us are susceptible to it.

On the other side of that, we have trans people just going about their lives, until they became the topic on everyone else's tongue, not to include in discussion, but to be attacked, marginalised and placed in fear. As a marginalised minority, they also have every right and I'd go beyond that to say duty, to actually fight for their lives, because eradicating trans genderism is just starting to be brought up in the US, which means it will be here too, soon enough.

That's a real and fundamental difference; the very people you all opine on everyday, now face these real and targeted threats consistently. I mean, what the fcuk are people doing having rallies to attack people. I know the Nazi thing gets overdone, but Jesus

I've obviously had my issues with TS, but he's tied himself in knots here to try and be understanding, but has been met with nothing more than weirdness about either supporting women, or supporting lady boys. It's just not true.

There are no solutions, no attempt to be understanding, just vitriol and abuse thrown at a marginalised community. I have issues with trans people in sports, and I think maybe that's because I played a lot of sports growing up, but none of you (I'll exclude ts here) are in any way interested in finding a way forward. I think the first time I ever posted on trans issues, I asked what solutions you had, and to this day, tibb is still way more interested in finding attack pieces; which is cool if that's what you want to do, but seriously, I never thought I'd be happy to see a M&H thread appear, because I have to say, most of you are being completely ridiculous.


If you can't see there is an all out culture war attack on trans people at this point, then you'll never see it, but keep up with this hateful language, and it will soon be followed by hateful actions, and then you won't be able to backpedal away from it. I know deep down, that's not what most of you want, but that's where the buy in to this constant noise ends up, because we've all seen one history documentary, or read one book at least.

we get a lot but this must be one of the most self-aggrandised posts from slim in recent memory. the vanity.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Like who? When?


Being against abortion doesn't mean someone can't be left wing or a feminist tbh.

Well being against abortion is being against women having that choice being open to them.

Just to clarify being against abortion doesn't strike me as someone that's really pro-feminism imo.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well being against abortion is being against women having that choice being open to them.

Just to clarify being against abortion doesn't strike me as someone that's really pro-feminism imo.

Well being against abortion is being against women

the pro life movement is women

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

we get a lot but this must be one of the most self-aggrandised posts from slim in recent memory. the vanity.

You shouldn't use words when you don't know what they mean, but thank you for admitting you file my posts in your memory.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well being against abortion is being against women having that choice being open to them.

And being pro-abortion is denying a baby's choice to be born. Unborn babies aren't fingernails or split ends which need trimming, and the morality of killing them doesn't have a consensus on any side.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

And being pro-abortion is denying a baby's choice to be born. Unborn babies aren't fingernails or split ends which need trimming, and the morality of killing them doesn't have a consensus on any side.

Loosely I agree but the problems start to arise when people want to push their own personal moral stance as enforced law for all. There are lots of things that I personally find immoral that I don't think should be made illegal.

[arista]

Kellie-Kay Keen (A/K/A Rosie Parker)
gave a long interview to Free Speech Nation.
(7PM Live Sundays GBnewsHD)
speaking live from the Canary Islands

In NZ those Nazi Protestors
planned their event at the same time as her event.
A 72 year old women got a fractured skull.

She said,the police did not protect her.
that surprised her.

She will be at London's Speakers Corner
1PM next Sunday.

And off to Ireland

She also stated she will tackle Kier Starmer's confusion
in women

[arista]

[arista]

See LT and Slim

Andrew Doyle on GBnewsHD
gets the Exclusive that BBC can not broadcast like that


Live 7PM every Sunday.

Great Interview

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well being against abortion is being against women

the pro life movement is women

The last time that I checked Donald Trump is a man.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

And being pro-abortion is denying a baby's choice to be born. Unborn babies aren't fingernails or split ends which need trimming, and the morality of killing them doesn't have a consensus on any side.

Personally I'm not a cheerleader for abortion (I prefer adoption out of the two) but I tend to notice that it is mainly evangelical Republicans (and the equivalent in other countries) that love to tell women if they can have an abortion, and to go to LT's point about "pro-life people all being women" as it's simply not true.

[Livia]

I wonder has the elderly woman is who was punched repeatedly in the head and ended up with a fractured skull? Let's find out if she agrees with abortion before we condemn the man in a frock who punched her at this event.

[LeatherTrumpet]

the absolute state of this

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the absolute state of this

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I wonder has the elderly woman is who was punched repeatedly in the head and ended up with a fractured skull? Let's find out if she agrees with abortion before we condemn the man in a frock who punched her at this event.

Is it not possible to discuss more than one thing at a time?

You've taken a stance that being skeptical/questioning of Posie Parker means being in support of the NZ mob or not condemning (or even maybe justifying) their violent actions which isn't a stance that anyone at all on this thread has actually taken.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the absolute state of this

I think politicians find this especially difficult to answer because, being politicians, their compulsion is to give an answer that won't offend anyone even if that means selective non-answering. But the simple fact is that on this issue... you can't. You can't take a stance of not offending anyone. Taking a simplistically firm stance in one direction will offend a large group of people, not answering will piss everyone off, and trying to divide the issue up and take a nuanced stance will clearly also piss off large numbers of people on all sides . There's no diplomatic voter-pleasing stance to take here so politicians need to just make a decision. Wee Nic ultimately ended up trying to walk a tightrope on the issue, tied herself in knots, and ended her decades-long career in a week.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Is it not possible to discuss more than one thing at a time?

You've taken a stance that being skeptical/questioning of Posie Parker means being in support of the NZ mob or not condemning (or even maybe justifying) their violent actions which isn't a stance that anyone at all on this thread has actually taken.

Oh please explain to me where I 'm going wrong, Mr man. Tell me what MY problem is.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh please explain to me where I 'm going wrong, Mr man. Tell me what MY problem is.

You're suggesting that people are defending or spoken in support of the "NZ mob" when no one has but feel free to counter that with a quote.

I don't think anyone knows what your problem is though Livia so I can't help you there.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I think politicians find this especially difficult to answer because, being politicians, their compulsion is to give an answer that won't offend anyone even if that means selective non-answering. But the simple fact is that on this issue... you can't. You can't take a stance of not offending anyone. Taking a simplistically firm stance in one direction will offend a large group of people, not answering will piss everyone off, and trying to divide the issue up and take a nuanced stance will clearly also piss off large numbers of people on all sides . There's no diplomatic voter-pleasing stance to take here so politicians need to just make a decision. Wee Nic ultimately ended up trying to walk a tightrope on the issue, tied herself in knots, and ended her decades-long career in a week.

Rishi Sunak was asked that question the other week. He answered it as any rational adult would and guess what.. nowt happened

As did Wes Streeting and again - he is still alive and well.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Rishi Sunak was asked that question the other week. He answered it as any rational adult would and guess what.. nowt happened

As did Wes Streeting and again - he is still alive and well.

Yes indeed, it's only a problem question if it is skirted around like this twat has done drawing even more attention to himself than he needs to

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

You're suggesting that people are defending or spoken in support of the "NZ mob" when no one has but feel free to counter that with a quote.

I don't think anyone knows what your problem is though Livia so I can't help you there.

You don't think anyone knows? Grow up.

My only problem is your tiresome counters to everything I've said like you and you alone are right.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Livia

My only problem is your tiresome counters to everything I've said like you and you alone are right.

Who are these unusual people who go around saying things when they think they're wrong and other people are right? If you think you're right and I'm wrong I don't know why my opinion bothers you at all. Maybe you secretly know your stance is flimsy, so having it challenged is frustrating?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

I wonder has the elderly woman is who was punched repeatedly in the head and ended up with a fractured skull? Let's find out if she agrees with abortion before we condemn the man in a frock who punched her at this event.

I don't think that anyone should be pro fracturing someone's skull, unless the victim is a Paedophile or Serial Killer.

[Alf]

Riley Gaines

What's the story?

[Alf]