[Ella]

But theres no such thing as passive drinking is there?

And as for the whole sick thing..all you need to do is watch where your walking!!

[Stu]

Originally posted by Ella
But theres no such thing as passive drinking is there?

And as for the whole sick thing..all you need to do is watch where your walking!!

And non smokers are nailed to the ground when someone sparks up?!

Also , I updated my post with additional points while you posted this , you may want to go back and have a look for my argument on passive drinking.

And that was just one point I was making.

No doubt some angry zealots will be happy to point out that this debate is about smoking and not drinking , but I feel compelled to point out the simmilarities and differences and to use drinking as an exaple of showing the innocent nature of smoking.

Nothing like comparing smoking to drinking as a template for establishing the ignorance of some people.

[Ella]

But why should non smokers have to move because other people chose to smoke in front of them?

Im pregnant and I like the fact that I can now go into a bar and not have to worry about people blowing smoke around me. If they want a fag they know that they can go outside.

[secrets]

tell you what.!
i would rather walk past a smoker than a heavy drinker.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Ella
Im pregnant and I like the fact that I can now go into a bar and not have to worry about people blowing smoke around me. If they want a fag they know that they can go outside.

I consider smoking in pubs being outlawed to be fair enough , alas its a confined space. My argument is exclusivly reserved for those folk who rather that passangers of the good ship nicotine be struck by an ice berg of pseudo-righteous morals.

But why should non smokers have to move because other people chose to smoke in front of them?

Likewise why should smokers have to not smoke?! Its an extremely double edged sword argument if your going to look at it in that two dimensional respect.

Besides , theirs enough space on the streets. Im sure smokers and non smokers dont conflict a lot. I know they dont here.

We can all find a happy medium surely.

[Ella]

Originally posted by Stu

I consider smoking in pubs being outlawed to be fair enough , alas its a confined space. My argument is exclusivly reserved for those folk who rather that passangers of the good ship nicotine be struck by an ice berg of pseudo-righteous morals.

Likewise why should smokers have to not smoke?! Its an extremely double edged sword argument if your going to look at it in that two dimensional respect.

Besides , theirs enough space on the streets. Im sure smokers and non smokers dont conflict a lot. I know they dont here.

We can all find a happy medium surely.

My bad! Sorry I misread your point.

Its just nice to go into some places without a smoke screen to greet you! People smoking on the street ect ect doesnt bother me. I chose to walk past them so thats my problem. But its good that its banned in pubs.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Ella

My bad! Sorry I misread your point.

Its just nice to go into some places without a smoke screen to greet you! People smoking on the street ect ect doesnt bother me. I chose to walk past them so thats my problem. But its good that its banned in pubs.

Now we are getting to that happy medium im talking about .

On a related note , im sure both public moral and bar profits could get a healthy shot in the arm if people took the time to build cornered off smoking areas in bars.

[Ella]

I doubt that would happen. I mean smoke can still escape!!!! Its evil you know! They should do one pub for non smokers and a pub for smokers on every street that theres pubs! Then that would keep everyone happy!

[Ruth]

Sorry, don't agree. Basically what those who are for the smoking ban are saying is that they should have a choice not to breathe smoky air. Well, that's fine and dandy, except that it means taking the choice away from those who want to smoke.

This is why I believe that smoking in pubs should be at the discretion of the landlord. Some would choose to ban smoking, others would choose not to. That way, we ALL have a choice.

As I have said before, people who are in favour of the ban support it because it suits them. Just wait until something is banned which doesn't suit them.

It's true, there's no such thing as passive drinking. However, I've seen countless fights caused by people who cannot handle their drink. Why don't they just ban alcohol? I bet people would not be in support of that!

And what about eating fatty foods? Okay, if someone eats a load of fatty food, it doesn't affect you. But the amount that obesity related diseases is costing the NHS will affect all of us. Should we ban chocolate? Should we ban fast food places?

People need to stop thinking about what suits them personally, and think about the bigger picture.

Edit: I'm not having a go at anyone here, and it is an interesting subject. Just one I feel strongly about!

[Ella]

Well I dont smoke, drink eat fatty foods and I'm certainly not obese...so banning all those things wouldn't bother me in the slightest!

[Stu]

Originally posted by Ella
I doubt that would happen. I mean smoke can still escape!!!! Its evil you know! They should do one pub for non smokers and a pub for smokers on every street that theres pubs! Then that would keep everyone happy!

Make a parallel universe , one with those afformentioned pseudo-self-righteous folk , and the other more prone to housefires .

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Ella
Well I dont smoke, drink eat fatty foods and I'm certainly not obese...so banning all those things wouldn't bother me in the slightest!

Well that just proves my point. It doesn't affect you, so you don't mind.

[Stu]

[Ella]

Originally posted by Ruth

Well that just proves my point. It doesn't affect you, so you don't mind.

Yes exactly. It effects my baby, Thats why it doesn't bother me

[Stu]

Originally posted by Ella

Yes exactly. It effects my baby, Thats why it doesn't bother me

It really shouldent affect your baby unless your asking for it. Theirs hardly a brigade of smokers encircling you when you walk down the street.

[ThaGazBoi]

Originally posted by Ella

Yes exactly. It effects my baby, Thats why it doesn't bother me

I agree. To some certain extent, smoking should not be allowed where thier is young children. As a smoker myself, I know the dangers of smoking. I would never smoke in front of my little cousin, as I don't want him growing up to be a smoker like me.

[ThaGazBoi]

And more importantly Ella- You have a baby?

[Ella]

Originally posted by ThaGazBoi
And more importantly Ella- You have a baby?

Lol haha no not for another 6 months yet! Im 3 months pregnant.

[ThaGazBoi]

Originally posted by Ella

Lol haha no not for another 6 months yet! Im 3 months pregnant.

Oh wow, Congratulations =]

[secrets]

Originally posted by Ruth

Well that just proves my point. It doesn't affect you, so you don't mind.

hhmm ,guess not all of us are so perfect.
i like to be among the folks living in the 'real' world,who have vices and human frailities.

the perfecto,s are sooooooooo boring.

i love to party whatever the poison.:

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Ella

Yes exactly. It effects my baby, Thats why it doesn't bother me

You're missing the point. What happens when something you enjoy gets banned?

While I am totally in favour of having as healthy a pregnancy as possible, and obviously doing the utmost to keep your baby healthy, that's not really a valid argument. You could say that because you have chosen to have a baby, why should other people not be allowed to smoke?

[Ella]

Originally posted by Ruth

You're missing the point. What happens when something you enjoy gets banned?

While I am totally in favour of having as healthy a pregnancy as possible, and obviously doing the utmost to keep your baby healthy, that's not really a valid argument. You could say that because you have chosen to have a baby, why should other people not be allowed to smoke?

Have I once said at any point that people shouldn't be allowed to smoke because I'm pregnant?

All I said was that it's nice to go into a bar and not have to worry about smoke.

[Stu]

Originally posted by secrets

hhmm ,guess not all of us are so perfect.
i like to be among the folks living in the 'real' world,who have vices and human frailities.

the perfecto,s are sooooooooo boring.

i love to party whatever the poison.:

Amen brother. We want to live longer to do the things that stop us from living longer. Drop on .

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Ella

Have I once said at any point that people shouldn't be allowed to smoke because I'm pregnant?

All I said was that it's nice to go into a bar and not have to worry about smoke.

Well no, but you did say that it's about time smoking in public places was banned. I'm not having a go at you at all, and certainly not meaning to speak about your pregnancy in a negative fashion. I was just making a point. You support the ban, I don't.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by secrets
lets ban chocolate,alcohol,doughnuts,eggs,cheese.....its all bad so we are told.!

welcome to police state Britain. gggrrrr

And since when have either chocolate, alcohol, doughnuts, eggs, cheese or alcohol had life-threatening effects on passers-by?